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    7 months ago

    Shooting at desperate prisoners for fun is something the Nazi’s used to do.

    Fuck israel.

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        Yeah, they started out by killing entire villages to take their houses. The whole Zionist project was built on blood.

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        its never been livestreamed like this though. people are seeing this happen in real-time. instead of taking days to even years to reach people, its getting to us in our hand in minutes if not seconds.

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    I don’t know how much of the news to believe, but I’m not really on board with all this indiscriminate killing.

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      I’m not really on board with all this indiscriminate killing

      VERY controversial opinion! It’s a good thing this is a safe space where saying such things won’t cost you your livelihood!

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        I’m not really on board with killing so many children and starving 2.4 million people to death.

        Does that make me antisemitic?

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          Not according to sane people, no. According to unhinged mecha-zionists on the other hand…

          Ironically, equating the actions of the Israeli government with all of Jewdom is itself EXTREMELY antisemitic.

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            Ironically, equating the actions of the Israeli government with all of Jewdom is itself EXTREMELY antisemitic.

            Which is why a typical Israeli’s participation in any political argument starts with attempting to show that logic doesn’t belong there.

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              Hey now, far from all Israelis agree with the actions of their government… they got 49.5% of the vote with 70% voter participation. That’s 34.3% of the eligible to vote Israelis and an even smaller portion of the total population.

              Granted, it’s still FAR too many votes for a fascist apartheid regime, but my point is that far from all Israelis are the unhinged zionists we’re discussing…

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                OK, typical politically-active-in-the-web Israeli, which is the same thing as paid bot.

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    Biden is really going to let Trump become president again because he won’t take serious action.

    The US is literally the reason the UN can’t do anything.

    All you had to do was not be pro genocide Biden. It’s such a low fucking bar and that geriatric fuck just can’t meet it.

    And whether Biden wins or loses, millions will suffer because he was the only other option than trump we were allowed to have.

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      I watched Jon Stewarts piece about Israel Palestine and he joked about how the UN can’t get anything done with absolutely no mention that it is everyone voting for a ceasefire and the USA voting to veto everything.

      It isn’t the UN that is doing nothing, it is the veto rules that allows the USA and other countries to throw out the collective good in order to protect empire.

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        Weird…

        I remember him mentioning it in both his recent episodes.

        Pretty sure he even mentioned how when the US vetos something like this, we always send a Black person to do the veto. But that bit might have been from somewhere else.

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        That’s what I’ve been trying to tell people for almost two decades: the UN isn’t inherently ineffective, but the Big 5 makes it so by vetoing almost every important resolution.

        If we take away that veto and grant the UN real enforcement power, it could make the world a much better place for the vast majority of humanity.

        The 5 and the billionaires whose interests align with them would never permit such justice, though 😮‍💨

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          If we take away that veto and grant the UN real enforcement power, it could make the world a much better place for the vast majority of humanity.

          I like to dream too, but if you remove the veto and give the UN enforcement powers, the UN would dissolve damned near overnight. The big players play because they can control the narrative and know that the UN is effectively toothless. You give them teeth and you’re going to see every right wing party in the world lose their shit about sovereignty or rev even harder at the derp state.

          Now, that’s not to say it’s a bad idea at all. In fact I agree with you that it should be done. I just have no faith that the necessary changes wouldn’t also destroy it.

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        It’s called the Security Council, and if it didn’t exist, we would have nuked ourselves into dust at this point.

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          This is just false info. It exists to keep public record of communication.

          All the nuclear powers talk to each other all the time without any need for the UN. US and Russia even have a direct land line to each other.

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      Your comment was an adorable attempt at sowing division. If you’re really prepared to not vote and let Trump win because you don’t like Biden’s messaging, that’s a you problem (and by extension, becomes everyone else’s problem too).

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        With all due respect, which is none, fuck off with that false dichotomy.

        They didn’t say that they weren’t going to vote, they said that they were worried that Biden will lose because he’s doing things that people hate and refusing to do things that people need.

        It’s the job of a politician to earn votes. It’s not the job of voters to meekly fall in line as long as the other candidate is worse.

        Yours is the kind of condescending ideological cowardice that got us to this awful point in the first place.

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          It’s the job of a politician to earn votes. It’s not the job of voters to meekly fall in line as long as the other candidate is worse.

          And that’s the core of it right there. Why would I vote for someone who has done nothing to earn my vote?

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        We just saw grassroots Muslims & allies in Michigan organize a 13% protest vote of ‘Undecided’ in the state’s Democratic primary. They aren’t alt-right trolls shitposting hot takes, that is a lot of real people who are absolutely FURIOUS that an administration they supported in 2020 has taken so little actual action on this matter

        I also completely disagree that a personal voting choice should be seen as the ‘bad guy’ when the DNC did all it could to stifle challengers to Biden. Get angry at them and their political duopoly, not voters with conviction

        If Biden came out and said “As a devout Catholic I cannot morally support abortion, I will not work to restore Roe v Wade protections” he would be rightly criticized heavily, and people would likely choose to note vote based on that

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            You got a source for that claim, or are you just parroting the DNC’s party line here? I didn’t find anything even implying this was astroturfed when searching

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                Responsible? No.

                Able to stop the bloodshed? Very likely so, if he has the willpower. And they are trying to push on him to take concrete action. Abstaining from using UNSC veto is an easy lever he can pull as head of the Executive branch, as is using the ‘bully pulpit’ to criticize Israel’s actions and highlight the behavior of the extremists in the Likud coalition cabinet. Neither require congress or the courts, just the will to act

                • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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                  He doesn’t have the willpower and I don’t think anyone else in Washington really does, either.

                  A ceasefire, to me anyway, means Hamas remains the de facto leadership of Gaza, they get to keep whatever is left of their tunnels and weapons, and their fighters just have to lay low for a while before they go on fighting, which means more decades of Hamas terror attacks on innocent civilians, rocket attacks, kidnappings, more mass shootings of innocent’s and fitedt responders, maybe we’ll be back to their days of suicide bombings, and more decades of Israeli airstrikes in response. That cannot be allowed to happen, terrorists don’t get to have their own state. Biden knows that. Hamas can either surrender or be killed or imprisoned, then there can be a ceasefire.

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        don’t like Biden’s messaging

        but that message is he’s not willing to call a permanent unconditional ceasefire and is willing to let more children die. am i supposed to like that message?

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        Removed, rule 5:

        “Rule 5: Keep it civil. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (perjorative, perjorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (perjorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect!”

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        It’ll never stop being surprising when Biden supporters sound indistinguishable than trump voters.

        As Michelle Obama said:

        Be better

        Quick edit:

        Also weird how I always get replies from these brand new accounts after blocking trolls and they keep replying and I stop replying…

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      Honestly, like 99% of Americans don’t care about Gaza enough to not vote for Biden over Trump. The internet echo chamber has warped your sense of what normal people actually care about.

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        Uh… No? Polls have consistently shown that Biden is losing younger voters over this issue. And let’s not forget that there are multiple swing states (Michigan is just the most famous one) where losing Muslim votes is enough to cost Biden the state. Enough Americans care about Gaza to cost Biden the election.

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        Yeah bro…

        The only reason to be upset with Biden is his support of Israel’s genocide…

        /s

        There’s also:

        1. What he wants to do with our border

        2. Pretending “the economy” is more about billionaires wealth and average Americans aren’t important

        3. Record breaking fossil fuels production

        4. Just ignoring the healthcare crisis

        And a shit ton of other things.

        Supporting Israel could very well be all you care about, but lots of people aren’t that simple.

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            If you get to pick between no food, or half enough food to survive…

            How much effort would you put in to starve to death slower?

            Running a bad candidate depresses turnout. And depressed turnout is the only way Republicans win.

            Running Joe Biden is the biggest factor that helps Trump’s chances of winning, and there’s zero fucking reason we’re handing it to him.

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              The vast majority of people will choose half food for the chance to live until more food is available. There is not another candidate from the Dems that has the national recognition as Biden, or the successes that Biden should be doing a better job of selling, that could take his place at this point in time.

              Yes, I would rather they ran someone else. But with half the voting population all in on wish.com Hitler it is necessary to eat half the food now and hope for a better candidate next time.

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                Except we only get a presidential election every four years, and not everyone will still be alive then

                That’s not even part of the starvation example.

                Literally people you’re asking to pick the lesser evil right now will die because of that lesser evil before the 2028 election.

                Maybe you’re upper middle class and it’s not a big deal.

                Congrats, you’re a very small percentage of Americans and the total votes Biden needs to win.

                If you want to help Biden, try having some empathy for the less fortunate and start screaming your head off at the Dem party while there’s time.

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                  We should absolutely give Biden grief up until November when we need to grit our teeth and accept aomething less than perfection to vote against the Republicans who are worse on every single topic.

                  It isn’t like Biden is the only Democrat who is supporting Israel. How many Dems are passing the funding legislation that Biden signs? Who are they going to put up instead of him that opposes Israel?

                  Nobody.

                  Biden is the best that the party can put forth right now, and we should give him grief to get him to change. The action agsinst Biden in the primaries is great!

                  But come November it will be critical to vote against Trump, and a vote for anything other than a Democrat is a vote for Trump because of our stupid voting system.

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              Stop letting perfect being they enemy of good enough. This line of thinking you’re engaging in will only accelerate Trump’s victory. Unless the finality of the United States is your goal, you may want to come up with a more apt analogy.

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      Well, it shouldn’t have been in your 2024 bingo card because it’s been a yearly ordeal for decades

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        It’s been a century at this point, hasn’t it? I’m pretty sure the British mandate was like in 1920 or something. Though at no point has it been this kind of Hitler shit until now.

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          I’m pretty one sided on this topic, and I’m sorry if my first comment was hyperbolic as well as one-sided. That said, Is what you’re saying:

          If Israel starves Palestinians in a ghetto they can’t escape, that qualifies as Hitler shit

          If so, then I have to ask if the process of Palestinians being forced into ghettos they can’t escape, in their own lands, qualifies as Hitler shit?

          I truly think Israel has always been this cruel. The only thing that’s changed is it’s a lot harder to hide something from the Internet.

          Also, not like 80 years of colonialism is that different from 100, but the colonies that eventually formed into the nation of Israel were called “British Palestine”. When Israel was formed in 1948, this was well after the UN had operated under the imperative that “[the recently discovered] Nukes are dangerous, but the new world order isn’t evil because we can use this power to preserve countries’ borders”

          Also, I’m not saying anything nice about the Eastern block. I hold the opinion western intervention was okay in scenarios like Vietnam, because before capitalist imperialists and even communist imperialists, there were Japanese imperialists destabilizing that region

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            Nah, starving in ghettos is not that uncommon for a country with a second class population. Going for an extermination of that population would qualify as “Hitler shit”.

            I think up until recently Israel has been content with just stealing land and forcing locals into worse and worse situation with the hopes that they will either die or flee on their own. Now they just ampted it up to causing a full blown famine there to starve anyone who can survive the bombing and their military.

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              When Israelis couldn’t subjugate the city of Haifa, they completely destroyed it and built a new city with the same name on top.

              Theyve been doing Hitler shit for decades, is it really the case that America’s longest, oldest war in the east is our most righteous?

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    Damn. War is hell. I blame the Hamas terrorists that brought this upon the Palestinian people.