In practice, this means 3M is continuing to create harm from the risks they spent decades covering up
“Stop forbidding us to poison poor people!”
Oh mate, they’re poisoning literally everyone
But the rich can avoid the tap water…
It’s not just tap water, it’s also the non-stick coating on a large number of pans (including Hex Clad which is one of the more expensive sets).
Funny thing is…everyone is poisoned. I absolutely guarantee it. No one escaped this shit.
You are very nearly correct in your guarantee., Per ProPublica’s reporting it has been found in basically everyone’s blood except some very isolated groups in rural China
And, whichever science group that interacted with that group also brought items that contaminated them.
i, a bourgie, only use naturally carbonated pellegrino to flush my crystal toilets
A crystal toilet? Peasant. Mine is solid gold and I flush it with melted glacier water flown in just for that purpose.
Pff mine is a private jet and I flush it with liquid methane that combusts on disposal as it hits the exhaust fumes of the jet and I only fly over poor residential areas so the excrement rains down only on them.
It’s like you’re not even old money.
The bubbles help clean stains!
Where do you think bottled water comes from?
hopefully a land where these chemicals are not produced or its dumping into rivers is forbidden
Yeah, think again
No they can’t. Do you know where fancy spring water brands get their water? The fucking tap, that’s where.
Wrong. The rich uses lab-grown water, clean from all the chemicals!
Reverse osmosis, which wastes a lot.
I do like how their argument basically boils down to “You obviously don’t understand how much it will cost us to clean up the giant toxic mess we spent so much money trying to hide.”
Then they’ll have to do what they say they do best: innovate and be efficient.
That’s always their argument.
Dumping trash in the ocean?
Asbestos?
Cigarettes?
Chemicals in the ground?
DDT?
Carbon in the atmosphere?
“You obviously don’t understand how much it will cost us to clean up the giant toxic mess we spent so much money trying to hide.”
Which also means line goes down. That is unprecedented, and it’d lower the quality of their lives. Think about the rich people!
So, when do we eat them?
They had decades to prepare their legal team for this. I don’t expect them to just roll over and accept responsibility.
The fact that they’re leaning on the “arbitrary and capricious” argument means that they don’t have another grounded legal theory for why it’s an exceedance of EPA’s authority. They’re throwing A&C at the wall to see if it sticks because the alternative is willingly take on a liability that’s going to potentially peek into the billions of dollars. It’s a hail mary, plain and simple.
There’s no way this one ends up being only billions; they literally coated the entire surface of the ocean.
Yeah it’s potentially a much higher cost, depending on how class-action lawsuits play out, but that study doesn’t necessarily say it’s coating the surface of the ocean. It’s diluted into the ocean itself, and because it likes to stick to foam it tends to accumulate at higher concentrations close to the surface. That study is documenting that air particles have a much higher concentration than what’s typically seen diluted in sea water, so it’s essentially congregating in the air-water interface zone.
But yes, your point is well taken that they’re facing catastrophic liability costs from a combination of past health impacts and future cleanup/removal.
Wonderful. I bet bivalve creatures are bioaccumulating tons of PFAS on the beach. Not to mention near-shore fish.
That’s somewhat reassuring. Thanks!
Yeah it’s pretty squarely in their wheelhouse.
Does it do the following?
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the contaminant may have an adverse effect on the health of persons;
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the contaminant is known to occur or there is a substantial likelihood that the contaminant will occur in public water systems with a frequency and at levels of public health concern; and
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in the sole judgment of the Administrator, regulation of such contaminant presents a meaningful opportunity for health risk reduction for persons served by public water systems.
If so, then:
- the Administrator shall publish maximum contaminant level goals and promulgate, by rule, national primary drinking water regulations under this subsection.
Wham, bam, thank you ma’am.
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Happy 1-year anniversary on Lemmy! Mine’s coming up in a couple of weeks.
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It sounds like their only argument is “it’s expensive”, which I find somewhat comforting because then it sounds like they at least agree with the science.
It’s a shame lawmakers don’t put stipulations in that they cannot trickle down those costs to the consumers. It’s not our fault, and we shouldn’t be put in a damned if you do and damned if you don’t position.
Can we form a class-action lawsuit to sue anybody who raises our rates over this? Legit question.
That’s always their argument and try to spin it as a US problem.
“You’ll remove a LOT OF JOBS and make everything more expensive if you ban child labor!”
The conservatives ethos in a nutshell.
Doing the right thing is expensive, and the only thing in the world that actually matters is money, therefore we should be allowed to do the evil thing, otherwise you hate freedom…or something.
And they knew a long time ago it would be expensive and did it anyway.
This crime will last for generations - will its reward last generations too? These assholes should die penniless, and have literally nothing to leave their heirs. And those heirs should be audited for the source of any money they make.
Enough of letting these guys have a legacy. Their names should be dragged through the mud and their children sent to public school.
And their children made to drink from public water supply**
That’s because these Big Corporations will LITERALLY do the Right Thing without ANY Government intervention or Regulations! CHECKMATE COMMUNISTS!
You laugh, but that’s exactly what they’re claiming, without a hint of irony:
“The businesses in our state, including those in manufacturing, have a proven track record of supporting North Carolina’s economic vitality and doing so responsibly. It is important that we do not hastily pass regulations without fully accounting for both the positive benefits and potential negative impacts proposed rules would have on the state and its business community.”
“So long as there’s a question, don’t actually pass any laws” - Big Tobacco, plastics industry, Big Sugar, etc.
It’s sad how true that is.
“If only the pesky government would stop intervening in the free market, we mega-corps would’ve all signed up years ago to voluntarily fix the pollution problems we’ve spent decades covering up… But because you’re telling us to, we don’t want to.” /s
Paraphrasing of course, but this is basically their defence - which is just a tad bit shoddy if you ask me. If they didn’t need this law to get their act together, then why is this law having to be made because they didn’t get their act together?
The government could just auction off the rights to pollute and make sure that the amount up for auction is within nature’s carrying capacity. Then let the companies bid and let the markets do their thing. Then the government can say the market has spoken and come down hard on those polluting to much and defrauding the market.
You want us to stop poisoning the world? But that’s too hard! I don’t wanna! It’s too much work! You can’t make me!
“Can we at least keep doing the microplastics thing?”
These chemical makers should be sued to oblivion for poisoning us all.
You misspelled tortured. Fuck these cynical assholes!
How’s it going there capitalism?
…yea.
Conservatives did this. And they will continue to do this until they are stopped.
But its what we crave!
Why won’t the plants grow?
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Utilities have also challenged the stringent new standard, questioning the underlying science and citing the cost of filtering the toxic chemicals out of drinking water.
I’m glad I’m on a well
Unless your well is drawing from an uncontaminated aquifer, that doesn’t really help you. This class of chemicals wound up pretty much everywhere.
I was referring to the utilities response not the pollution itself. You’re not wrong.