Gnome devs : we broke the toilet extension. Your pokemons have nowhere to shit and piss.
Pokemon trainers : why the fuck is the toilet an extension. Shouldn’t it be part of the DE?
Gnome devs : we believe the toilet feature is unnecessary, so it wasn’t and will never be implemented.
Note : I’ve barely used gnome in my life so it’s based on memes I’ve seen about gnome.
The only thing you got wrong is that the toilet extension would be a third-party thing, and Gnome devs would actively insult anyone who dared be upset they broke it.
I was gonna say that it was a third party extension, but then I thought that gnomes users would infer that pretty easily.
Long time Gnome user here: I like the general Gnome simplicity of use and workflow and got used to it, but I’m really tired of having to install extensions for very basic things, and of it messing all my extensions on each version upgrade, so I have to reinstall everything. I started experimenting with KDE, and looking forward to cosmic.
Yeah, KDE’s basically at the point you don’t need GNOME imo, it’s so customizable you can make it basically look/function the same as GNOME without having to put up with GNOME’s dumber decisions
I tend to flip flop, I like some things in GNOME better, but the lack of customization always brings me back to KDE after a while (Plasma, whatever)
For me it’s KDE on desktop, GNOME on laptop.
This is the way. Although Plasma 6 is getting reaaaal close to going on my laptop too.
Why is that though? Is plasma battery sucker or so compared to gnome?
I just like how it works with trackpads more, and tend to do more things basically fullscreen anyway.
I could do the overview, grid mode, workspaces switching with touchpad in kde. How does that compare to gnome?
It’s close to alpha! I don’t think it’ll be in a good enough state for me (Nvidia GPU), but maybe someday.
I’ve been daily driving the pre-alpha since January, it’s definitely got a bit of jank, but it’s in really good shape. The alpha should be pretty usable, and I think by the beta it should be pretty much good to go.
Just as soon as Nvidia stops hating Wayland… 👉 👈 any day now…
their last gpu were working good, from nvddia unern opinions that i read
Maybe I’ll have to give it a shot! I’m on a 3070 Ti, and I’ve had issues in the past but I’ll have to figure it out eventually, since I’m trying to make the switch away from Windows :D
A month ago as of tomorrow I got fed up with Windows and googled “gaming Linux”, picked Garuda because it was near the top result and I like the FFXIV Garuda, was wiping my Windows drive within fifteen minutes of deciding I was done, and have been gaming with my 3080 since. Haven’t touched X11 because Garuda defaults to Wayland and I don’t even know the difference between them, and so far everything has just worked
I’ve heard that the brand new Nvidia 555 drivers actually work with Wayland. I was ready to switch my gaming laptop to Linux but I may wait a few weeks for the driver to release out of beta. (Arch users shut up, lol.)
When I first started on Linux with Fedora probably a little over 15 years ago, I used gnome just because it was different. At some point I played with Enlightenment, and now I use KDE. It was different when I was more interested in screwing around with my system. Now that I use it for work, I just need everything to be as reliable, persistent, and easy as possible. I haven’t used gnome in many years, but I hear these stories all the time and I just don’t want to deal with something that’ll wrench my workflow when I have other shit to do and no time to play diagnostics.
Yeah, Cosmic looks really nice. Their app store interface needs a bit of modernization work, but otherwise, it looks well polished.
Do you know how vim has distributions like lunarvim, lazvim, nvchad, etc.? Simply installing something like lazyvim can quickly and easily convert vim from a text editor to a full blown IDE.
I think Gnome needs something like this. A curated set of plugins that are easy to install and maintain compatibility with different versions of Gnome - something that would deal with the API churn in Gnome while maintaining a stable, usable desktop environment.
I don’t know if this is feasible, because I haven’t used Gnome since 2.x, but I think it would really help make it an actual full blown DE.
The problem is the Gnome team doesn’t give a flying rat’s ass about maintaining a stable api. I’ve never bothered with extensions because even the most basic stuff only works for one or two versions. The neovim team is pretty committed to backwards compatibility and following standards for interoperability like LSP these days, so it’s much easier for third parties to maintain a large set of extended functionality at this point. If they acted like the gnome team, your status bar plugin would break every other update.
Can I ask what extensions you are using in gnome?
I use several, but the ones that I consider to be basic functions are caffeine, tray icons, places status indicator, removable drive menu and extended volume indicator. That last one is a nice example of my frustration, because it can’t be installed on the current gnome version anymore, and having to open settings to switch my audio output is terrible. Every distro upgrade have been the same experience, and I lose some functionality
You forgot multi-monitor support. The extension broke for me a couple of years back and the author became AWOL. My workaround is to open the clock app on my secondary monitor when gaming in order to track time now that I can’t see the clock in the taskbar.
I only tried GNOME long enough to see how crap it is, and have been a happy KDE user for years.
I went the other way. I liked the simplicity, and thought what about MORE simplicity? I went to i3 and haven’t really looked back yet.
It’s more like, there is one way to go to the toilet but it involves going into a small porcelain cup. They refuse to admit that’s not practical, or that it doesn’t work for everybody, or allow people to use anything else. You will use the little porcelain cup no matter how absurd it is and that’s it.
Wrong. If an extension for your need isn’t enough, you can very simply just use another DE. No one is entitled to random free custom development work
No one is entitled to random free custom development work.
Meaning gnome devs themselves are not entitled to the free custom development work of the third party extension devs, and therefore gnome is actively taking advantage of the third party developers(Third-party developers feel undervalued & exploited, potentially leading to burnout and abandonment of projects) while all round making it harder for them to maintain the extensions(GNOME’s decision not to provide a stable API for extensions makes it challenging for third-party developers to maintain their work across GNOME versions).
This is where KDE Community is different, they actively support, communicate, collaborate, etc. with 3rd party devs to build a strong relationship & a strong ecosystem.
In fact, Gnome devs are all around abrasive to the entire Linux ecosystem, including but not limited to the Wayland development team & the development teams of other desktop environments(GNOME’s design decisions, such as only supporting CSD & lobbying Wayland to mandate CSD & the controversy over the accent color protocol, have led to conflicts with the entire Linux ecosystem), their own user base(GNOME’s communication style is dismissive & unresponsive to community feedback), application developers(GNOME’s decisions sometimes force other projects to adapt or create workarounds, as seen with the server-side decoration controversy, further complicating development efforts), third party developers, and even amongst themselves(There are reports of conflicts even within the GNOME development team, suggesting internal tensions).And yet KDE is still jankier.
People always talk about extensions breaking… I’ve probably used 5-10 extensions and only one of them broke, and I don’t even remember what it was.
Gnome will die the second Cosmic (Epoch) DE gets remotely close to 1:1 parity. It will be more stable, it’ll be more feature complete & support modern features, it’ll have a similar level of polish, a similar yet way more flexible design language and the devs will actively work with the Linux ecosystem & so on.
At that point the only people left over for Gnome, are those stuck on x11, and die hard shills/fanboys. Many developers are very much sick of Gnomes shit already and only put up with it because it’s popular.Only if it becomes the default install of the major distros. That, I think is a major hurdle, not even KDE has been able to leap that.
It’s already going to be the default on one of the major distros at launch; Pop_OS! by System76. It’ll grow in popularity pretty quickly.
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it’s based on memes
So you’re basing an opinion on the world’s dumbest, least accurate form of communication
As I said, I briefly used gnome in the far past and just remember being weirded out by the design choices that felt very “Apple like” . So them pulling an “Apple” and doing the “we know better than the user” doesn’t feel out of place.
This comment implies that Microsoft design choices are better which is hilarious
Microsoft at least isn’t trying to be a walked garden (at least, they didn’t used to)
It’s not much, but the bar to be “better than Apple” from that perspective ain’t exactly high
(Also, since they didn’t mention Microsoft at all or make some statement about how Apple was the worst, I don’t see how it even implies that… If you inferred that, I think that’s on you)
I don’t get this comment. Gnome is not trying to make a walled garden, and Microsoft has taken every chance they get at making walled gardens (Windows phone, windows 8 arm, various proprietary file formats and protocols), they just haven’t been very successful at it.
Yep. It’s amazing how Microsoft fanboys come into the Linux communities spreading their weird biased takes
Apple is garbage but they have made some good design decisions. Microsoft rarely has. And no it’s not “on me”. Anyone using Mac windows and Linux over the years would see that most Linux DEs copy a lot from either MS or Apple, most outside of gnome primary mimicking windows.
Anyone using Mac windows and Linux over the years would see that most Linux DEs copy a lot from either MS or Apple, most outside of gnome primary mimicking windows.
So you literally just know gnome and kde plasma. That’s cute.
Not true but weird flex “pfft this guy only knows two desktop environments!”
Seems like you’re not very familiar with the history of computer interfaces if you can write what you just did
I mean, dude got it pretty spot on, so can we really criticize the accuracy?
He did not get anything spot on
So you’re basing an opinion on the world’s basedest, most accurate form of communication
FTFY
Reminds me of twitch plays pokemon, putting a pokemon in the pc was akin to a death sentence since they often ‘accidentally’ released them later
Not just a death sentence for that Pokémon, approaching the PC was a potential game over!
I have still nightmares of Bloody Sunday.
(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻) ANARCHY (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻)
Abby didn’t die for this :(
I love the Gnome workflow, but holy shit, I get the hate. Why doesn’t it support a lockscreen that’s not gdm?
I actually think general Gnome workflow is pretty alright (even if I prefer other things), but yeah, Gnome devs seem to like. Actively hate their users?
GNOME is the Apple of the FOSS world
Yeah, like I’m all in favor of having an opinionated design, but their dominance makes their bad decisions actively harm every other de. Stuff like refusing to compromise on cross-desktop protocols
Their “dominance” is the choice of the distributions. Gnome is opinionated, and I respect that they follow their vision. To me this is free software working as intended, people are free to fork Gnome if they want something that the devs don’t want. And apparently, many distributions think Gnome should be the default. Maybe it shouldn’t, but that’s up to the distros to decide.
Oh yeah, they’re free to decide, I just disagree with them! I get the decision though, and if I were on charge of a large distro, I’d probably make the same choice (until plasma is on a normal release cycle)
Wayland expects you to use the desktop for everything including locking. What’s wrong with the lock screen? It seems fine.
It doesn’t work at all with sddm. That’s what’s wrong.
I though you were on gnome
I’d like to have the freedom to switch easily.
That is not going to happen as KDE and gnome conflict
On what? On dependencies? That shouldn’t be an issue with nixos.
Configuration files
I honestly like the vertical integration, but I can see why Linux folks would be annoyed. Honestly GNOME fits my workflow perfectly after a few extensions (mainly Dash to Dock). I’m super fickle, so its rigidity helps
Do not
like come on man, it’s not even a Vaporeon!JONKER NOOO
Who uses Gnome these days? i have used the forks Cinnamon or MATE, since gnome shell was introduced.
It’s great that there’re so many good window managers to choose from.
A majority? I mean use something else if you like them better, no need to shit on GNOME
There’s plenty reason to shit on gnome, they took off in a direction and changed the whole look and feel, without any option to keep something like the gnome 2 layout.
The introduction of Gnome 3 scared me away, the initial version was garbage. I switched to XFce and MATE, and eventually ended up with Cinnamon.
They may have made it usable, but I still don’t like the user interface.
So you like windows style UI. Great, good for you.
And what kind of UI should I like oh wise one, I’m not worthy of your wisdom, please tell me, I’m begging you!
We already know the answer, hence my comment. We heard from you that windows is better and Mac os is trash. What else do we need?
It is absolutely bizarre to me that (a few, vast minority) people hate gnome so much. It feels smooth, modern, and stable while the others I’ve used feel mostly like an amateurish glitchy version of windows.
You could always just not use gnome and let others use it. I think KDE is janky but I don’t really say that until people jump on the gnome hate bandwagon
Probably most desktop Linux users? …
I love gnome. People love KDE but I think it’s not very good.
Most? Is that guess based on anything?
I am sure getting accurate data on the subject would be impossible, as Linux users are more likely to not consent to the type of telemetry that could track that.
Yeah. It’s mainly based on the fact that Ubuntu and Ubuntu based distros are wildly popular
People who like gnome
I think it’s the majority, still. Not sure if that’s technically changed to KDE with Steam Decks though.
Asking “who still uses $thing”, where $thing is the most popular thing in its category, is peak Lemmy.
I think it’s more peak moron. Morons everywhere.
It’s the default for Fedora and I think Debian too but don’t quote me on the second one.
Me I use SUSE which lets me choose what DE to install.
So you’re a Cinnamon lover then huh?
Plasma fan and aspiring Cosmonaut, though I have Swayed in the past and have a tendency to get Hypr.
Hyprland is pretty cool. Used it for a few montths after I broke my KDE Plasma and couldn’t be fucked to fix it (long story)
This thread is the first time I hear about Cosmic though. Looks interesting in pictures.
Cinnamon is pretty dope
I use Plasma because I’m literally this, but Cinnamon is what I’d recommend to people who say they want something “familiar looking but that just gets out of the way so you can start using your computer to do shit” – Which ironically is what Gnome purports itself to be.
I mean, Cinnamon is really just Gnome 2 with new devs.
I mean. Yes. But Gnome 2 was actually good. It was before the Gnome team caught the “cutting out literally everything for seemingly no reason” disease.
Before they started thinking they knew better than everyone else.
I use MATE for this very reason
Unpopular opinion: Gnome software is pretty solid, and if your computer usage patterns overlap with their design, it is quite a lovely DE. I’d rather have something that works well, even if it doesn’t do everything under the sun.
… Except when it doesn’t.
I use Gnome at work, on an older (supposedly stable) version of RedHat and there are a few ways it breaks, but when it does, it Breaks Bad. I would be fine with said breakages if it were not trying to claim focussing on having lesser bugs and in turn reducing customisability to such low levels that changing stuff like animation speed (which, by default is set to productivity destroying speeds), is not possible from the default repos.KDE and related applications are much more tolerable and when I find a bug I tend to be happy to report.
That’s fair ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Then don’t use gnome?
Also the dock is on the bottom
Its Ubuntu😨😨
Gnome 3
GNOME 1 & 2: The dock is in the bottom by default. It can be moved elsewhere if the user prefers it.
GNOME 3+: The dock is wherever we think the user is likely to find it. Maybe it’s in the bottom. Maybe it’s nowhere. Maybe it’s everywhere. Verily, who can even begin to understand the mysteries of the brain?
Wait what’s Gnome?
The desktop that knows what’s best for you.
The desktop that thinks it knows what’s best for you
i have that desktop and it’s called windows, not gnome
Windows uses AI to determine what’s best for you. GNOME just decides it generally in advance.
AI is new, Windows has been doing it in advance for decades.
Pokémon Tretta runs Gnome??
I haven’t slept in 24hrs and honestly I don’t get the hate. Just use gnome default and it works that’s it. no need to customise just use as is and doesn’t break.
This has Animaniacs energy.
cringe
Solid meme. 5/7. Don’t put your pokemon into the walled garden of linux.
