Who knew young people would be so triggered by the slaughter of children?
I’m not young, and I’m pretty triggered by it. I guess there’s something wrong with me? I’ve never owned any boot straps, so maybe that’s it.
Reading Internet comments on this, the right has already made up their minds that she is basically going to roll out a red carpet for Hamas, and the left already thinks that she is going bomb children.
She’s on record saying that she supports Israel’s right to defend itself, AND that Israel is killing and starving innocents civilians. As far as I know, in the week that she’s been the candidate, she hasn’t stated what “support” looks like and how or if she plans to disincentivize their offensive campaign that’s killing and starving civilians / continuing the circle of violence.
supports Israel’s right to defend itself
Yeah, that’s not wrong.
AND that Israel is killing and starving innocents civilians
Yeah, also not wrong. Because in this instance Israel isn’t defending itself. They’re not taking out imminent threats; at least not exclusively. They’re using an attack to justify imperialism and genocide. We even have a very recent example of how that’s usually a disaster for everyone involved.
The left has also made up their mind after 9 months of gaslighting by Biden pretending he was going to be tough on israel, and then sending them more bombs to drop on schools when they ran out.
“Trust me bro” fingerwagging isn’t enough anymore. We need concrete promises and real action.
Those of who didn’t like Biden’s actions in Gaza, but were still voting for him, were doing so because we viewed other issues on the ballot as even worse.
Also because Trump wants to be even WORSE on Gaza. Really simple calculation.
If she’s listening, then she can’t pick Shapiro or Kelly as VP.
I think Shapiro’s Israel stance would be poison. Kelly would probably blunt momentum, but maybe the cool factor of being an astronaut could get him through it without bringing the ticket down.
From a progressive standpoint, I actually kind of like Buttigieg. Like Harris, he started out as vaguely progressive but turned toward the moderate lane after realizing the progressive one was stuffed full, but he hasn’t done some of the performative centrism of the purple state elected officials and he’s got some dynamism in both his policy (his supreme court reform was good) and conveys a different feel from trying to pick someone to signal that the Democratic party is also the home for conservatives. Plus you can put him in front of a camera anywhere and expect him to do a good job.
I wouldn’t vote for him or Harris in a primary, but I can feel positive about them on a ticket.
My issue with Buttigieg is that he used to work for McKinsey & Co, and apparently was their “Wiz Kid”.
“McKinsey has assisted opioid manufacturers, tobacco companies, fossil fuel companies, Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), and authoritarian governments around the world, and in each case has covered up its footprints. Again and again, McKinsey has come to town and left people worse off.” (Source)
How is VP choice related to Gaza?
because they have their options about Gaza
Why are people continuing to say this? The VP has no say over POTUS. They are the tie-breaking vote in the Senate, and count the electoral ballots in an election. That’s it.
They’re second in line. It’s a liability.
Same way I listen to my kids tell me what they want from the grocery store. Maybe they get it, maybe they don’t, but it’s not a negotiation.
That changes when they get older. You eventually start listening for real because they are smarter than you are.
It’s no longer a question of if they get it, but if you get it. Please pay attention to what your children ask for.
My kids are 9 and 11. If they ask for something I want them to have, I get it for them. If they ask for something I don’t want them to have, I don’t get it for them.
They’re smart for their age, but they’re kids.
I think you’re torturing the metaphor a bit much. I just meant I don’t believe that Harris is going to listen to progressives on Israel. I wish she would, and I’m going to vote for her regardless because Trump would be far worse. But to say “Harris is listening” feels like an attempt to placate reasonable people who don’t want to support a genocide.
I agree that the comparison is a bit steep, but you’re the one who made it.
Also, my point is not necessarily to just give in, but that “listening” to a request may be enough for someone to do something else than what they initially intended. Listening is far more important than obliging to any single direct action. In any dialogue or conflict, you are achieving more both by listening and by having your opponent listen, than having either part reluctantly oblige.
Ah yes. voters are just unruly children.
Voters get treated like children. Did I give the impression I thought that was a good thing?
Your kids aren’t an important component to your continued employment.
Apparently the DNC doesn’t seem to think that people who oppose a genocide aren’t an important component of Harris’s victory.
I would argue that my kids have a lot to do with my continued employment, but not in any way that’s relevant to the analogy.
Man this would mean absolutely nothing if it was Harris herself saying it. And its not even her saying it.
