• stoy@lemmy.zip
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    40
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    5 hours ago

    The chicken/egg problem is really a problem of a too narrow scope.

    “What came first the chicken or the egg?”

    The answer is obviously the egg as plenty of other species before chickens laid eggs.

    The concept of an egg is far older than the concept of the chicken.

      • christophski@feddit.uk
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        45
        ·
        5 hours ago

        The chicken egg came before the chicken, as the thing that laid the chicken egg was not quite a chicken

      • lemmyng@lemmy.ca
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        11
        ·
        5 hours ago

        Is a chicken egg an egg laid by a chicken, or an egg that if fertilized would hatch into a chicken?

      • lugal@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        3 hours ago

        The thing is that species aren’t that clear cut but exist on a spectrum. There is no first chicken as little as there is a first blue shade on a color gradient. Sure, you can draw the line somewhere but even when clearly defined as ancestor of all modern chickens, you can’t really go down to the individual level.

      • stoy@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        4
        ·
        5 hours ago

        That is what I mean, the scooe of the question is too narrow.

        “It’s a thought experiment, there is no real answer, blah blah blah…”

        The question is only deep among those who constrain themselves to what they believe the question asks, just widen the scope and you have the logical sollution.

      • Rhaedas@fedia.io
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        4 hours ago

        The flaw of the question is assuming there is a clear dividing line between species. Evolutionary change is a continuous process. We only have dividing lines where we see differences in long dead ones in the fossil record, or we see enough differences in living ones. The question has no answer, only a long explanation of how that isn’t how any of this works.

  • ThyTTY@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    15
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    6 hours ago

    I wonder if it has anything to do with alphabetical order… No, that’s not it

    • Venator@lemmy.nz
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      edit-2
      3 hours ago

      Maybe try adding 🐣, 🐥, 🐤 and 🍗 to the array and see if it still has the correct order.

      • superkret@feddit.org
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        5
        ·
        3 hours ago

        I wouldn’t even be surprised if the Unicode consortium had put those in the correct order – as an Easter egg.

    • marcos@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      6 hours ago

      I’d say that “alphabet” has no relation to the things on that string.

      But yeah, it’s the Unicode Consortium that knows something about it, not Swift.