Secretary of State Antony Blinken on Friday gave one of his most direct condemnations of the civilian death toll in Gaza and said more needs to be done to “minimize harm to Palestinian civilians.”
Although Blinken commended Israel for its announcement of daily military pauses in areas of Northern Gaza and two evacuation corridors, he said that “there is more that can and should be done to minimize harm to Palestinian civilians.”
The top US diplomat has subtly shifted his messaging in the days since he departed the Middle East earlier this week to more directly voice condemnation of the civilian toll in Gaza and the US’ expectations for the Israeli government. However, he still has not condemned the Israeli government offensive and has continually voiced support for its right to defend itself.
“now here’s more bomb money.”
Military Industrial Problem: These bombs are killing too many civilians, it’s bad for PR.
Military Industrial Solution: Here, let us sell you some GPS kits to make your bombs more accurate.Which Israel uses to accurately kill civilians.
I mean not to sound pedantic, but it seems like such a waste even bothering with guided weapons with what they’re accomplishing. Bibi could literally save money and just uses regular old toss/dive bombing considering Gaza has zero air defense.
It’s like how they used an aim-9x for the Chinese balloon. its so overkill.
it seems like such a waste even bothering with guided weapons with what they’re accomplishing. Bibi could literally save money and just uses regular old toss/dive bombing considering Gaza has zero air defense.
The reason they aren’t doing that is to reduce civilian casualties despite Hamas using human shields. If genocide were Israel’s goal I suspect they would be using such tactics, that they aren’t, that they are instead spending lots of money to increase accuracy and reduce collateral damage, is telling.
10k deaths of which 60% are women and children is not reduced collateral though lol. That’s my point. Its not carpet bomb genocide, but they have no regard for civilian (or hostage) life.
You can still aim unguided bombs very accurately, especially if you’re just targeting large structures and don’t have to worry about surface to airs or another air force. I’m pretty sure the IDF already has and is doing so.
The only reason we know they’re using guided munitions is because many of the videos of the airstrikes show an incoming AGM with a very prominent flare showing.
My dumb point is that if they’re not targeting moving targets, no point in ordering guided munitions. A regular Mk bomb will hit a building just fine the same way.
10k deaths of which 60% are women and children is not reduced collateral though lol. That’s my point. Its not carpet bomb genocide, but they have no regard for civilian (or hostage) life.
Just because that number is big doesn’t mean it isn’t reduced; if they used the tactics you floated, indiscriminate attacks with big, dumb bombs, it would undoubtedly be higher. Doing so would be cheaper and take less effort and coordination than the lengths they currently go to.
I suspect the high casualties are due to Hamas hiding among civilians and in/under civilian structures (citation above.) The available alternatives which would reduce collateral damage are, 1) Israel lets Hamas operate with impunity because of these human shields, or 2) IDF goes in to depose Hamas without air support and suffers massive casualties. Either of these strengthen Hamas at the expense of Israel and leaves them less safe. Non starters, considering that for them this operation is reportedly about safety.
You can still aim unguided bombs very accurately, especially if you’re just targeting large structures and don’t have to worry about surface to airs or another air force. I’m pretty sure the IDF already has and is doing so. … My dumb point is that if they’re not targeting moving targets, no point in ordering guided munitions. A regular Mk bomb will hit a building just fine the same way.
For leveling buildings I suspect you’re right, I think the major issue is that Hamas targets surround themselves with civilians and I imagine in many of these circumstances better targeting could reduce collateral casualties. For example, the Hamas commanders in the tunnel network under the refugee camp that got Israel a lot of international criticism when they bombed it, (twice.) Perhaps more precision could have reduced civilian deaths there.
At very least this demonstrates that they are willing to spend resources to minimize civilian casualties, how it will play out I can’t say.
This human shields line. If it was true why don’t Hamas stick their hostages in every hospital?
Under them likely. I literally provided a link with evidence of them using human shields and using protected civilian targets to hide their assets. Maybe read it.
Then don’t endorse and finance their genocide motherfucker!
Right? We strongly condem Israel for Palestinian lives.
Also, here’s billions more to keep it going.
Was listening to a Canadian retired politician earlier this week. The problem is that 50 billion a year in aide to Israel is a roundabout subsidization of the American military complex. The vast majority of that money is then used to buy American made weapons. It’s an elaborate system to steal money from American taxpayers and put it in the pocket of the elite few.
Good luck turning off that tap.
Either gotta sweep the elections completely, or just put a new system in place. Biggest obstacle is these dumbass Biden voters, collectively going “we can’t vote for another party because it might fracture the vote”.
I’d argue the “dumbass Biden voters” are the only ones keeping America from truly turning into a regressive theocratic state.
And no party is fixing the Military Industrial Complex. It owns all the politicians.
Sanctions when?
Should have been sanctions decades ago for ethnic cleansing and Jewish settlements.
That’s true. There are now half a million extremist settlers in the West Bank who were allowed to build homes there in violation of international law. The US did nothing even though this has made the idea of a Palestinian state effectively impossible. That was Netanyahu’s plan to create “facts on the ground”
Talk about too little too fucking late!
The US administration, still providing diplomatic coverage to the Fascists that rule Israel, hence the mild “finger wagging only” criticism and even that immediatelly diluted by commending them for doing the element of their military plan they already wanted to do.
Those bloody hypocrites are trying to thread the needle between de facto “unwaivering support” of the Israeli Fascist regime even as they really go no-holes-barred in their inhuman treatment of those they see as subhuman, and not losing too many votes in America or too much support from allies around the World.
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What’s needed is genuine Humanist and Democratic values, not Performative Politics that go nowhere because they were never meant to actually make any difference, only to use Divide et Impera to dissipate any real pressure for change.
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What’s needed is genuine Humanist and Democratic values
Humanist Values
As in, abandoning theocracy and religion? I agree. I’ve often said that peace will be achieved there when both parties can sit down and share a ham sandwich, only half joking because doing so would mean they have both abandoned their religious dogma.Regarding a secular government, neither party has one but Israel seems a hell of a lot more secular than Gaza, whose government appears to be enforcing something like Sharia Law on the people there:
Following Hamas’ victory in the 2006 Palestinian elections and a conflict with supporters of the rival Fatah party, Hamas took complete control of the Gaza Strip, and declared the “end of secularism and heresy in the Gaza Strip”
Ismael Haniyeh officially denied accusations that Hamas intended to establish an Islamic emirate. However, Jonathan Schanzer wrote that in two years following the 2007 coup, the Gaza Strip had exhibited the characteristics of Talibanization, a process whereby the Hamas government had imposed strict rules on women, discouraged activities commonly associated with Western culture, oppressed non-Muslim minorities, imposed sharia law, and deployed religious police to enforce these laws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism_in_the_Gaza_StripAnd then there’s the religious dogma. Islam is very intolerant to those who wish to become secular/leave the religion, as per their rules regarding apostates:
classical Islamic jurisprudence calls for the death penalty of those who refuse to repent of apostasy from Islam
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_IslamBoth of these are major barriers to ending this conflict via shared humanist values.
Democratic values
They won’t help end this conflict unless popular opinion changes. At present it seems this war and belligerence is popular in both nations.According to polling, the majority of Palestinians want to:
- Destroy Israel (70%)
- Deny Jews equal rights in their one-state solution (76%)
- Continue violent resistance, reject peaceful solutions (52%)
- Employ guerilla/terrorist strategies to do so (58%)
- Support for peace negotiations with the Palestinian Authority among Israeli Jews fell from 47.6% in favor in September to just 24.5% in favor in the survey conducted between Oct. 23 and Oct. 28.
- 57.5% of Israeli Jews said that they believed the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) were using too little firepower in Gaza
- Support for a two-state solution also went down slightly among Jewish Israelis, dropping from 37.5% in favor of a two-state solution in September to 28.6%
It say a lot how much effort you put into the racist generalisation that All Islam = Hamas and how without that equality between both that can only be constructed using the racist axiom of “they’re all the same”, you have no humanist or democratic justification for the mass killing of Palestinian civilians by Israel.
Also there is no Humanist principle that says that “Evildoing by some morally justifies evildoing by others” so even if being a Muslim was indeed the same a being Hamas, that wall of text of yours rests on something which is not a Humanist principle but rather a Sociopathic excuse for murder and one that, given the proportions of death so far (10 to 1), already is way beyond even the “mere” “an eye for an eye”.
- Your critical reading skills could use some work, my post was about barriers to Democratic and humanist approaches to peace. You seem to have read into it many associations and conclusions that I did not make.
- All Islamic people are not Hamas, but as far as I’m aware, all Hamas are Islamic. Islam is hostile to secularism/humanism. This is a barrier to peace through humanism.
- Peaceful compromise is unpopular by both sides of this conflict. This is a barrier to peace through democracy.
- Self-defense, not humanism, is what motivates and justifies Israel’s actions. War is inherently inhumane.
Israel has been playing the social media manipulation game for a long time. That is why calling someone an antisemite has been so effective. I think getting Antifa to support Palestinians would put them into an existential crisis.
The Israeli one? By and large, in Berlin.
Fascism is when you defend yourself against people who are trying to genocide you? Israel is a modern democracy.
The US isn’t going to interfere with Israel making itself safe and bind their hands until they ensure that such an attack cannot occur again. Said, “finger wagging,” is trying to minimize the political blowback from this. It’s evident that many people have sympathy for the underdog, even when said underdog is explicitly genocidal, violent, dangerous, provocative, and uncompromising.
I’m pretty sure I’ve seen and read Blinken talk about “concrete plans” for the past couple of weeks already. Where are these plans? Where are the discussions around formalizing them with UN’s backing?
Most importantly, what sort of “concrete plan” does not involve a ceasefire and a hostage exchange with Israel on board? Let’s start there.
Actions talk and bullshit walks. They talk about “pressure” and “negotiations” but they’re trying to ram through a $14 billion arms package.
If only the IDF had kept the civilian murders to a more reasonable number, it would have made the US look less bad.
Next we’ll be hearing about how it was just some “bad apples” in the IDF that did the genocide and after these two corporals get resigned to desk jobs everything will be ok.
US Cops and IDF run from the same playbook.
Oh, have we gotten to the phase where the US tells Israel “We have to start making some statements to mollify the domestic uproar, but just ignore it, we’ll be sending you a few B in weapons next week.” ?
Its called losing the war…
Then move away that carrier group. Words mean nothing.
A few was ok, though, right?
wow
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Although Blinken commended Israel for its announcement of daily military pauses in areas of Northern Gaza and two evacuation corridors, he said that “there is more that can and should be done to minimize harm to Palestinian civilians.”
The top US diplomat has subtly shifted his messaging in the days since he departed the Middle East earlier this week to more directly voice condemnation of the civilian toll in Gaza and the US’ expectations for the Israeli government.
Far too many have suffered these past weeks,” Blinken said at a press availability in New Delhi at the end of a whirlwind trip that also included stops Israel, Jordan, the West Bank, Turkey, Iraq, Japan and South Korea.
In Tokyo on Wednesday, Blinken described the US’ terms for a “durable and sustainable peace” in Gaza after the war, and on Friday he reiterated that “some progress” had been made in setting those “basic principles.”
Speaking in India Friday, Blinken said “some progress has been made” in the week since he met in Tel Aviv with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other Israeli officials, but “this is a process and it’s not always flipping the light switch.”
On Wednesday at a meeting of the G7 Foreign Ministers, however, there was joint supported for humanitarian pauses -– not a ceasefire -– in Gaza “to facilitate urgently needed assistance, civilian movement, and the release of hostages.”
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And they send weapons with which even more civilians would be killed and homes destroyed. Oh the double standards.
