• Count Regal Inkwell@pawb.social
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    Finally: ClosedSubtitles

    EDIT: Also, MAN, a lot of straight up bootlicking in this thread. What the fuck kind of pirates are you? lmao

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    Jesus, reading comprehension is hard to come by eh? How have so many people struggled to actually read this?

    They aren’t requiring payment, nor are they requiring you to sign in or create an account.

    They are transitioning from an old API to a new one. The new API (and the site itself) is ad supported and rate limited; 5 downloads per day unauthenticated, double that for a free account, or ‘VIP’ accounts have higher limits and no ads.

    It’s not authenticated access only, nor is it paid access only.

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      “It’s not paid, you can pay by watching ads and get a laughable amount of downloads per day for free!”

      Sometimes you have to cycle through many subtitles to find the right one. They don’t even produce them.

      In the era of VPN, many users share the same IP too. You can reach the limit before downloading anything.

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        In the era of VPN, many users share the same IP too. You can reach the limit before downloading anything.

        Then create a free account and it’s no longer limited by ip and you get double the anonymous limit.

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          There is no need to have an account for that. This is a purely artificial measure.

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        “They don’t even produce them”

        Hosting ain’t free, son.

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        How many subs do you download at a time??
        Juat spread it out or cough up some cash … >_>

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          I’ve already explained the use-case. Spare me of your “witty” remarks with no value added.

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      It doesn’t say any of that information about non-VIP accounts, go read it yourself, and the information you quoted about anonymous accounts is also wrong.

      edit: I won’t be receiving any replies from this commenter. If anyone wants to say I’m wrong, feel free to provide a screenshot from the blogpost proving it.

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        Since you deleted the comment I replied to:

        There’s six big ass bold numbered paragraphs detailing the differences between the ‘VIP’ (paid) users and ‘non-VIP’ (free) users.

        There’s also a link to the REST API docs where the first thing it details is exactly how authentication is handled. Specifically: an application looking to interface with opensubtitles will have an api key embedded by its developer and without logging in further will have 5 free downloads/day, that can then be expanded by the end user logging in with their (free or VIP) account.

        That documentation lists anonymous accounts (not signed in as a specific user) as rated limited to 5/day. That doubles to 10 for signed in (but still free) users and grows further with VIP.

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            Not really, no. Those keys are more or less equivalent to a browser’s user agent, difference is you don’t choose your own but get them from OpenSubtitles. Motivation probably ranges from “that makes it easy to reject random crawlers” to “we’d like to know the people writing software against our API, or at least have a way to contact them”.

            You’ll also be able to find examples of such keys in repositories in the future in case you don’t want to request one of your own but frankly speaking that’s a dick move.

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            To an extent, but it’s only really relevant to developers. End users don’t see or interact with this at all and aren’t required to provide further info.

            For 99% of people, this change makes very little, if any, difference. The way it’s been worded makes it seem like no one gets to use opensubtitles anymore unless they start shelling out cash.

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        The OP doesn’t, but the REST API Docs say:

        Your consumer can query the API on its own, and download 5 subtitles per IP’s per 24 hours, but a user must be authenticated to download more. Users will then be able to download as many subtitles as their ranks allows, from 10 as simple signed up user, to 1000 for VIP user.

        https://opensubtitles.stoplight.io/docs/opensubtitles-api/e3750fd63a100-getting-started

        Though that’s not fully ‘unauthenticated’, as the above is discussing the use of a developer API key. Though that would be built into whatever app is being used.

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          Except the screencap I provided shows different information, and as you say it’s not in the OP, so there’s still no reason for that guy being a jackass about others being confused about the situation.

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      Title is a bit misleading. Starting with 2024 the site will be moving to a new API. The payment is too be able to continue to use the old API a while longer (for software that can’t be changed yet).

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        Additionally, it’s just a limit on how much you can download. You can still get 10 subtitles a day for free.

        Your consumer can query the API on its own, and download 5 subtitles per IP’s per 24 hours, but a user must be authenticated to download more. Users will then be able to download as many subtitles as their ranks allows, from 10 as simple signed up user, to 1000 for VIP user.

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    ha, i love how their reasoning tried to not point out the obvious: money

    upgrade to vip for a better user experience! (cuz we made the other one shitty on purpose cuz money)

    im not faulting them for charging a price for a service, just dont blow smoke up my ass for why youre doin it.

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      I’m actually faulting them for trying to make money off a crowdsourced service. They didn’t write the damn subtitles.

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        Also, wrong fucking audience. The people using this are pirating… what do they think is going to happen when they put a paywall in front 😂

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          The uploaders often get VIP for free and what will happen is probably just good for them. Leechers aren’t the greatest for torrents nor services.

          I pay for it, because it’s cheap and I might as well.

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            IDK, if I was contributing subtitles for an open provider free of charge who shared them free of charge, I’d be glad my subtitles were helping people who needed them. Now that labor has been turned into capital and that rug has been pulled with no back-dated compensation or provisions for free subtitles for hard of hearing or something. It’s a shitty move across the board for everyone but the owner.

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              The subs are still free for casual users the ones that need to pay are power users that download through the API.

              The API users won’t upload subs or anything, website users are more likely to do that.

              I doubt I will switch provider because they seem to be the best by far and I download 1-2 files per movie/series automatically via Bazarr.

              If anyone knows any non shit options please tell me.

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                I would hardly consider ‘power users’ the ones who download via the API. I used to download them via BSPlayer, where it will prompt you in a nice user friendly interface if you needed subtitles for whatever you were watching. Well, that used the old OpenSubtitles API, and now that it’s gone it’s not gonna work anymore

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        …make money off a crowdsourced service. They didn’t write the damn subtitles.

        Ah the reddit formula

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          And ancestry dot com. That one still chaps my ass. My mom spent so much time in there adding in her work, and they just fucking locked it one day behind a paywall. Fuck these sites that just take the users hard work and then try and profit off it without announcing that from the get go.

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              I always assume that. My mom was getting up there in age, and just having a fun time entering in her work. She had no clue that would happen, until it did.

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        This will just create new competition for them. I have been watching anime for several years and never once had to go through opensubtitles. Most releases now have the subtitles integrated so what is the value they bring to the whole thing?

        Edit: I just realized I’m replying the one an only db0, you are the best, cheers!

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          Anime is a different culture. Most non-anime stuff doesn’t have them embedded (especially the old stuff) and it’s still useful for finding subtitles for other languages

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          I use it primarily because the embedded subs are often in vubsub which fucking sucks and can’t be played probably on some devices, they also don’t scale probably.

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    See, I get when YouTube or some such are asking for some kind of payment, since transcoding and delivering all those large video files is expensive as fuck. Yet, Open subtitles delivers text. Fucking. Text. The rest is done for them for free by the users. No, folks. You ain’t getting any money.

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      Making a burner account isnt that hard and hardly a shittification in my books.
      Just a measure to ensure the free api access is correctly monetized which is a valid reason for a service to me.

      Would you work for free for your workplace without a compensation beyond a $5 bill and a pat on the back at times because your boss felt generous?

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        Opensubtitles does not create the subtitles, that’s done by the community, which is being monetised and sub authors get nothing out of it.

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          I agree, that that’s a bad part of it.

          But we come a bit full circle here:
          OpenSubs pays for the server and availability and service speed.
          I assume the speed they provide ain’t the cheapest server they could get their hands on.
          If the cost of a free/unauthenticated users and the server bill breaks even with the VIP payment (cant call it a donation imo) then they should have all the rights to limit free users.

          Now if they actively lock features, then I have no feelings for them.

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            Every service that disabled or limited the API has seen an increase in running costs, because people turn to scraping, which costs them more resources overall, and cannot be controlled by the site owners as easily.

            Let’s be honest, though, hosting text files with a search bar isn’t that much expensive to justify a response like this.

            It’s fine if they want to earn money, but then they should be upfront about it, and not making up stories about fluke running costs. I’d rather see a donation button.

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              Totally valid and agree with your stance.

              But I feel like business decision in these times are rarely backed by good reasoning beyond quick cash and seldom long term thinking. So good job OpenSubs? Yay?

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        Would you work for free for your workplace without a compensation beyond a $5 bill and a pat on the back at times because your boss felt generous?

        Misleading question. These kinds of communities are volunteer-fed, so you are basically asking me if I would work for free for a charity, which is the point. Things change notoriously when the boss then decides to monetize the entire thing for themself and not for you.

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          Well yes.
          I go with the 2nd view because IMO the first option barely applies anymore with the current business course and decision.

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    If you’re looking for an alternative, I’ve had luck with https://subscene.com/

    I don’t really know what the best or most popular website is because this one has never really led me astray. That said, I don’t need to use them too often, so your mileage may vary.

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      Am I the only one for whom "open"subtitles.org hasn’t worked in years? I literally cannot find the download button, like in those okboomer memes. Never used the API. Switched to subscene.com and haven’t had problems since.

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    man, they’ve change so much since 2017, where they were giving VIP membership out for free as a Christmas gift. Now they’re making it so can’t access the API for free anymore as a Christmas gift to themselves lmao

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      Now they’re making it so can’t access the API for free anymore

      No, they’re not.

      They are switching from the old API to the new API. You can pay to continue using the old one, use the new one for free (max 5 downloads per day), or pay for less-restricted access to the new API.

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            You used to be able to download without signing up.

            Edit: Apparently not everyone is being asked to login like me now. I’m not sure if it’s a regional thing or maybe my VPN is triggering something?

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                Really? Every time I visit, it asks me to sign in. Maybe it’s by region or something?

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                  Mind posting a screenshot?

                  I can view opensubtitles.org click on a random title, click download, and a .zip containing an .nfo and .srt downloads no issue.

                  Presumably that’s the old method; there’s also a ‘download (beta)’ button. It puts up a 20sec timer, then lets me click download and lists how much of my quota (1 of 10, not signed in) I’ve used.

                  Supposed to remain free, just rate limited to 10/day.

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    Subtitles are the easiest material to pirate :) I’m sure they don’t have a copyright either.

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        Yeah probably all integrations are gonna break 😐

        I hate them for injecting embedded ads to subs anyways, so hopefully they ruins the platform more so an alternative can emerge.

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          I was OK with the ads. Just a message before the dialogue and a message after the movie dialogue was over.

          But paying for subs? Good luck.

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      Technically subs are copyrighted as they’re usually ripped from official sources. They’re selling copyrighted content