“The resolution suggests that all anti-Zionism—it states—is antisemitism. That’s either intellectually disingenuous or just factually wrong,” said New York Representative Jerry Nadler, who voted present. “The authors if they were at all familiar with Jewish history & culture should know about Jewish anti-Zionism that was and is expressly not antisemitic. This resolution ignores the fact that even today, certain Orthodox Hasidic Jewish communities … have held views that are at odds with the modern Zionist conception.”

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    Anti-Zionism is not antisemitic.

    Lumping in all Jewish people with the genocidal apartheid ethnostate absolutely is.

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    “The resolution suggests that all anti-Zionism – it states – is antisemitism. That’s either intellectually disingenuous or just factually wrong,” said New York Representative Jerry Nadler, who voted present.

    …and who also happens to be Jewish.

    And that’s the what; here’s the why:

    AIPAC Throws Millions at Possible Insurgent Campaigns to Unseat Progressive Democrats

    In a mounting offensive by AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, to unseat progressives who speak up for Palestinian rights, Westchester County Executive George Latimer, who has been courted by AIPAC, announced earlier today he is launching a primary challenge against New York Congressmember Jamaal Bowman.

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        Progressives need to get meaner. This is the point where they need to stage a coup within the Party and push out these neolib, pro-capitalist, anti-progress, establishment hacks.

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    This is ridiculous, the first anti zionists were all Jewish. Some were even assassinated for their views. Zionism should not be conflated with Jewishness at all.

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      Unfortunately, that’s too nuanced a presentation of facts for most people to digest. No one actually knows anything about history anymore.

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    I am so tired of this bullshit and of Isreal’s bullshit. I don’t care if people think I am antisemitic because technically I am. I am in the same way I’m anti Christian, Muslim, Buddhism, Odinism and every other religion. Can we please stop using superstition as a reason to kill and hate eachother when there are plenty of good reasons to already do that or better yet just stop doing it all together.

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          given that almost all jews support zionism, I don’t really get why people stress making this huge distinction.

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              Well you see, if they don’t support Zionism they’re not real Jews!

              — That guy, probably

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                I’m guessing the opposite. I’m guessing it’s “Jews are evil and they all support genocide.”

                And considering, as Nadler pointed out, that there are Orthodox communities in the U.S. which are and always have been staunchly anti-Zionist, that’s not even true from Israel’s inception.

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                  Not only that, but a huge contingent of Zionists are not Jewish, and are pretty damn anti-semetic. There’s a strain of it that wanted to kick Jews out of all other countries.

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      Religion isnt the reason, it’s just the excuse.

      The reason is money and power. It always has been.

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      I think the best term is “anti theocracy” and while Israel is in theory a democracy they are first and foremost a theocracy because the democracy is a right only reserved for those inside the theocratic construct.

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        No they are a secular democracy. Their laws are not based on Judaism. Judaism prohibits most things they do.

        Israelis hate black black Jews as well. It’s just a racist white ethno-state.

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      That was used as a stick to hit Labour before Corbyn as well. There’s always been a handful of low level councillors that fail to draw a line between opposing apartheid in Gaza, and sharing comics of big nosed Jews eating babies on Twitter. And I acknowledge that this is mostly because Labour councillors are more likely to be Muslims with family ties to the Middle East in general. It was all overblown by the right wing media to make it seem like the entire Labour cabinet wanted to bring back the gas chambers.

      But in fairness you also can’t go and lay a wreath for a Munich massacre terrorist and then expect to go on to be PM of the UK. If that picture was doing the rounds during the Labour leadership contest, I doubt they’d have made him their leader.

      Even without all that, I doubt he’d have beaten Boris in that election. His Brexit bluster had unified the former UKIP voters under him and that was enough to ensure victory against anyone.

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      The real reason to hate Corbyn is that he’s such a toxic idiot that he hurt Lib Dems getting elected, and they’re a totally different party.

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      Checked the vote roster and only 13 democrats voted nay, while 92 voted present which is dissapointing.

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        They are putting on a show of being opposed while not doing everything in their power to oppose it. It’s similar energy to when Justin Trudeau joined a BLM protest instead of using his position as prime minister of Canada to take a real stand against police brutality.

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    The zionist argument that “anti-zionism is anti-semitism” is a fascist lie. Anyone who spreads this lie is a puppet of Likud.

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    Like 2 months ago the only time I heard the word Zionist was in my world religions class, now I guess the entire world is suddenly run by them.

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    Jews don’t all agree, nor should they but to the vast majority of them people saying that the Jewish homeland shouldn’t exist, with the history of Jews being ethnically cleansed from the dozen countries they have been, is a very Antisemitic position to take.

    With the uptick in hate crimes against Jews, with the words of college Presidents making it clear that calling for the death of Jews isn’t problematic enough for punishment it’s just making Jews feel even more strongly that Israel needs to exist and Zionism is self preservation.

    If you have a problem with Israel existing and not with any other country, the question of why should probably be explored. They’re not the only country that’s been established in the past 100 years nor are they the only one that’s the result of the British drawing lines thru historical homelands.

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      I don’t think a religious ethnostate is a good thing. I also don’t think running an open air prison inside your ethnostate is a good thing.

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        So you’re also calling for the destruction of the Arab ethnostates as well? If you’ve got an issue with the country that offers rights to Arabs… then surely you’ve got issues with the surrounding countries that don’t offer rights to people who aren’t Muslim right?

        There are over 2 dozen countries that require the head of state to be a certain religion. You’re against those countries existing right? Or is it just the Jewish state? BTW, Israel doesn’t have laws against Arabs being Prime Minister.

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          Yes? Did you expect me to say no to that?

          Lemme just make sure it’s clear, this is not about Israel being Jewish… It’s about them running an open air prison, taking a moral high ground and my country’s relationship with said ethnostate.

          Also that verbage, “destruction” is so interesting to me. I don’t remember calling for the destruction of Israel?

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            I expect you to now start campaigning for the destruction of the Arab world then. Yet it’s clear based on your comment history that’s never occurred to you. Yet another internet hero who’s completely ignorant as to what they’re calling for. The removal of the governments of the entire Arab world. That’s beyond delusional.

            If the only advocacy you do is against the lone Jewish state, my initial point applies. You’re only advocating for one here.

            Being Anti Zionist is calling for the destruction of the Jewish state. There’s no way around this. Zionism by definition is the movement for the right for the Jewish people to have self determination by the formation of a homeland. If you’re so ignorant as to call for the dissolution of that State and also attempt to argue that wouldn’t lead to the death of Jews in the region then you’re either intentionally ignorant or you’re trolling.

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              It’s a popular issue being discussed at the top of my feed, of course I have opinions related to it. There aren’t a ton of articles with discussion about other Arab ethnostates running open air prisons on Lemmy, if your feed has some I’d love to hear some suggestions.

              You’re trying really hard to paint this as an antisemitic thing when it really just comes down to them being weird as fuck. No country in the world operates in the way they do with as much political power and influence as they do. I don’t even think that’s much of a stretch to say, even Israeli officials confirm it. It’s ultimately a human rights issue, I’m not calling for the destruction of Israel, I’m asking you to not destroy the people within Israel.

              You can use history and semantics all you want, but Gaza is the stain on your argument. What’s happening there is awful, period.