I don’t like the framing in this meme. “Wayland doesn’t run on Nvidia” implies that it’s a Wayland problem, but it’s actually Nvidia that fails to develop a modern, working driver.
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That still sounds like a Wayland problem, just not one that they have control of
It is an Nvidia problem. And we need to insist on Nvidia being the problem until they give in. Their lack of wanting to take responsibility for distributing graphics cards on the market by not developing working drivers and not even letting the community fix it by open sourcing their driver is not something we should tolerate anymore. They pissed people enough at this point over the years, with their lack of participation in an driver problem-free environment on Linux, so they should and they will take the blame.
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Their “dogshit” drivers work great on X and did so back when ATis hardware was both closed source and hot garbage on Linux and they were utter trash all the way from early 2000s to 2014.
Ok. I’m not really interested in how things were in 2008. I’m interested in the here and now, which is where Wayland is widely used and increasingly used by the day, Nvidia’s drivers are a mess and AMD’s aren’t.
Person A: Man these Nvidia drivers keep causing issues
Person B: Umm ackshully Nvidia drivers used to be better than ATI drivers in 2008 ☝️🤓
Nvidia drivers continue to work great under X 2003-2024 for me. I’m sure Nvidia will work well under Wayland long before I bother to switch. The same folks who are always shitting on Nvidia seem to all own AMD hardware and many have spent years lying about Wayland being totally ready in 2015-2022 after they spent years lying about AMD GPU drivers being great in 2008-2013 when both were largely unusable in that time frame. Since few of the haters actually own any Nvidia hardware I presume they get their information from stroking each-others ego on reddit/lemmy/mastodon.
Yeah but X11 is unsuitable for modern computing.
The same folks who are always shitting on Nvidia seem to all own AMD hardware
Many do… because they know Nvidia is plagued with issues. Why would they buy hardware they’ve had/will have issues with?
I had to get rid of my 1080 Ti because of how unusably bad the Linux drivers were. AMD has ran great, out of the box, on X11 and Wayland. Wayland has been great, used it for years with no issues outside of with Nvidia hardware.
Maybe when Nvidia gets their shit together and have drivers that work properly ill give them another go.
Nail on the head.
If Nvidia started completely half-arsing their Windows drivers, nobody would blame Microsoft
This is happened with Vista, amongst other problems.
Until they give in what? What in your fantasies does the open source community of randos have over Nvidia again? Will you withhold your 0.1% of their profits after cost of develoment is considered? If you had paid even the slightest attention you would note the progress in open source drivers supporting newer hardware.
Nvidia has a closed source driver. Wayland tries to support it but Nvidia keeps changing how the driver works every week. So it’s impossible to deliver quality with Nvidia shit.
Why are you lying? Large software projects change slowly and stuff like GPU drivers work according to standards and interfaces. The bugs experienced aren’t even on the open source software side. The bugs in the general case are largely in the nvidia side and being fixed on that side albeit not briskly.
For sure, but unfortunately, that’s still a Wayland problem.
Users don’t care whose problem it is. They can trivially log out and log in and select X changing GPU implies throwing away hundreds or thousands of dollars of hardware. Over 80% of discrete GPUs are Nvidia hardware.
I use xfce, I have nvidia card, I sometimes capture a video of my screen and I regularly share my screen. Didn’t even try.
I’ll use Xorg until its deprecated or Wayland offers me some benefit other than “is new and shiny and the internet told me is cool”
I also became a bit sceptical about it with so many open source projects and basic functionality not supporting it yet after sooo many years of “Wayland is here”… so yeah, I’ll wait until someone gets xorg from my dead cold hands 😁
also I don’t get how aggressive people get about what other people have in their desktop, dude let me live my linux life alone 🤷♂️
Wayland has both screen capture and screen sharing.
We have XWaylandVideoBridge for X11 only applications.Fair enough. I used XFCE for 15 years and decided to give Hyprland a go. Still some rough edges, and some shockingly basic things are still being figured out (should multiple windows from the same process be able to set different icons, and windows being able to set–or even hint–where they want to go), but overall I’ve had basically zero issues, and I’m enjoying it enough that I made the change permanent. Screen share and streaming work fine. I wouldn’t call the overall functionality mature, but it’s perfectly workable. Unless, you know…Nvidia. I’ve heard it’s gotten a bit better lately, but I wouldn’t have switched if I hadn’t gone AMD for my new GPU.
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Wayland works with NVIDIA cards though.
When they added vrr support for wayland, I can’t play games anymore without continuous screen tearing and duplicate images. I guess they didn’t test gsync certified monitors on their own Wayland drivers. Until that and the taskbar on kde gets fixed I’ll be waiting. Kde taskbar freezes without warning on Wayland with Nvidia.
Maybe the open source drivers will soothe my woes when they’re ready.
My Desktop runs wayland on nvidia… so?!
Screen sharing is still a pain in my experience. I’m a tiling window manager guy. I used i3 for years. Switched to sway, but have issues because xdg-desktop-portal-wlr can’t do application sharing, only entire screen sharing. Well I have a ultra ultra wide screen, so people can’t see shit on normal monitors when I try to share my screen. So at work, where I regularly have video conferences, I’m constantly changing my screen resolution so that I can screen share something that looks OK to others, but 1980x1024 looks ridiculous on my end on my ultrawide.
Hyperland can share applications and even regions, which is awesome, and I tested it successfully on my home gentoo system, but it only worked on Firefox. Didn’t work for my jitsi electron app and didn’t work in qutebrowser. And hyperland isn’t easily installable on Ubuntu which is what I run for work because my work computer needs to just werk (gentoo is probably even more stable but I can’t mess with long complie upgrades at work and some corporate software is only available as .debs)
So yea my life would honestly be easier if I just stuck with i3 everywhere but I’m stubbornly trying to use Wayland because I know it’s the future but don’t kid yourselves, it is a pain in the ass
Wayland runs on Nvidia lol
Yes, at first glance…crashes regularly for me after a few hours…
I use Wayland for hours at a time on NVidia and it doesn’t crash.
I suppose it has to do with my general kde setup and many tweaks and adjustments over the years…maybe i should wipe everything and give it a fresh try…
This doesn’t imply it doesn’t in fact crash. Different distros/versions are pretty far apart in software versions and experiences.
I use Debian stable. So I don’t use the latest.
Not really
Not on old cards like mine, the only DE that I manage to open so far was GNOME and it runs a bit slow, just slow enough to force me back to xorg.
One day I will have a amd card, but I can’t afford one right now.
(I have a GT 635)
I just set up a new system with a 4080 - things didn’t really work under Wayland:
- Steam was flickering with black areas, even after disabling hardware acceleration/tinkering with Flatseal
- Firefox didn’t use hardware acceleration, couldn’t get it to work after multiple hours of debugging
- Games on Steam weren’t able to detect my GPU
Then I switched to X11, and everything has been running smoothly since.
It actually runs and feels smoother for me in a 144hz display and 2016 NVDIA card. Of course it still has its glitches and strange things happening from time to time, while with Xorg it “just works”. I’d say it’s still in alpha stage for Nvidia users, which require some tweaking and extra env variables to properly work; and in beta stage for everyone else
I miss Firefox remembering where its windows were when it restarts >_>
It’s such a small thing, but it’s the one I encounter most.
Extreme shortage of desktop environments that support Wayland. I don’t want to use either Gnome or KDE, I’m currently using LXQt with i3wm.
If you like i3, sway is a drop in replacement for it that uses wayland. I’m not sure if you could make LXQt work with it but it’s worth a shot
You cannot, no desktop environment except Gnome and KDE has Wayland support beyond experimental status.
If I was content with running no desktop environment at all, I could already do that on Xorg.
Last time I checked sway did not support everything in my i3 config file. I’ve been testing wayland for the last decade or so, it never managed to deliver on its promises.
sway is a drop in replacement for it that uses wayland
IT IS NOT lmao, sway even complains that my i3 keybinds are wrong, those same keybinds work perfectly on i3.
Isn’t sway an decent alternative to i3?
Hyprland is pretty sweet, to be honest.
This debate is so fucking stupid. X. Is. Dead.
Install Wayland, file bug reports, help everyone move into the future.
X is dead
No.
Make me.
Would be a shame if your distro were to stop shipping X11…
It’s Linux. If they switch before all my use cases are working as good as or better than X, I’ll just hop to the inevitable fork.
Most people want to do things not file bug reports and wait months for them to be addressed. X gets security updates as needed and will get such for literally years. X is dead like rock not dead like disco.
Bro, I do file bug reports and even fix things from time to time, Wayland is so broken for me I can’t work. Also, when bug reports are met with “it’s nvidia’s fault” and hostility towards the submitter, that further turns me off from participating.
Unfortunately I just want to be able to work though and Wayland keeps hanging and crashing without producing any relevant logging, despite the fact I’m working on an AMD iGPU.
In the end Wayland and X are tools, if a tool doesn’t fit the job it gets replaced. I don’t care X is dead, at least it works for me. Probably not the most popular thing to tell around here, but it’s what it is.
For like half a second my brain thought this was a meme comparing the fictional megacorps Zorg Industries from “The Fifth Element” and the Weyland-Yutani Corporation from the “Alien” franchise.
It’s not?
Most things would be solved if mainteners EVER updated their app’s electron version or stopped doing custom things with it and just let electron read $XDG_CONFIG_HOME/electron-flags.conf
I see people having a good to great experience with NVIDIA on Wayland. I lack that ability, I can never get my PC to run well on Wayland. (using the propriety drivers) hoping the new GSP firmware and the improvements to MESA-Nouveau + NVK fixes my issues. even if their are teething pains. because of how unusable it currently just is for me. course if I had the money, the easiest fix to make Linux usable for me is to buy a AMD GPU. FYI, I have a 2070Super. It is a consistently bad experience on it, with the NVIDIA propriety drivers.
Using Prime Render offloading and an AMD APU also works really well with wayland. Really happy with my Ryzen 5 5600G + Nvidia GPU setup.
The situation is rapidly getting better, and I’m daily driving Fedora 38 with 3060Ti using the RPMFusion Nvidia driver and Gnome+Wayland. Everything (and I do mean everything) I’ve tried has all its basic functionality at baseline. Xwayland is a thing and it covers for not having true Wayland support in alot of cases. Not like there aren’t bugs and QOL issues, but from what I’ve seen Nvidia is engaged and working to fix them. We should probably try to critique Nvidia/Wayland based on specific issues now, instead of broad brush “Nvidia/Wayland bad” rhetoric…
I threw my nvidia card in the trash, majority of problems solved
wouldnt be so sure. My AMD 780m iGPU has all sorts of weird issues on wayland atm. drivers are hella immature atm
So does my 6600 on manjaro kde
Yeah lots of reports of RDNA graphics jank in the amdgpu DRM issue tracker. Its a shame because the Steamdeck is the exact same architecture and has absolutely rock solid drivers, but there’s really poor testing outside of valve for drivers on linux
