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Sony misses PS5 sales target as console enters ‘latter stage of its life cycle’::Sony has cut its sales forecast by 4 million units for the fiscal year, down from 25 million to 21 million. It comes as the company missed its sales projections by a million.
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Just go PC and don’t worry about corporate lifecycles anymore
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Fair but thats your choice to upgrade. No one says you have to, and they don’t lock games behind needing insert current gen CPU or gpu
Your choice to upgrade just your GPU for as much or more than the entire cost of a PS5 as frequent or more frequently than you’d need to buy a new PS5.
As an avid PC gamer and PlayStation enjoyer, part of the console appeal is being able to drop a relatively small amount of money (compared to a gaming PC) on a single console and then you just don’t have to worry about upgrades or the performance of games for like 6+ years. There are a lot of us long time computer nerds that are just tired of unoptimized trash or new technologies making our rigs outdated in as little as a year or two.
There’s also the simplicity. I enjoy my PC for sure but for some people the ease of popping in a disc or downloading the title and it running perfectly on the first try is a major selling point. Troubleshooting my Ex’s PC for 2 hours only to realise I didn’t install the standoffs is an experience I can’t get on console.
Troubleshooting my Ex’s PC for 2 hours only to realise I didn’t install the standoffs is an experience I can’t get on console.
Hey, have some faith in yourself! I’m sure you can fuck up your console hardware just as well as your ex’s PC!
Oh yeah 100%. If I want to play the latest casual open world adventure game, I don’t want to spend time trying to figure out why I’m having mysterious frame rate dips. Do I need new drivers? Is the game poorly optimized? Is it a bug? Is their V-sync implementation broken? Is it an issue with my specific graphics card vendor so I’m SOL? Is it a thermal issue? Let’s spend all Saturday figuring it out.
Or just buy it on PS5 and it just works.
I mean they kind of do with performance and unoptimised games. I can’t play many current AAAs on my 1050Ti. Cyberpunk for example.
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The PS5 feels next-gen to me, rather than current gen, lol
Probably because I was a late adopter to the prior gen, and I don’t have a current gen console (just a PC).
To me the PS5 feels like PS4.5 at most.
The box even says “8K capable” and they promised an amazing 4K-8K 120hz raytracing heaven before release. Every time I see the box or watch old presentation videos I feel scammed.
Because in reality almost all games have a pathetic “slow mode with higher res” (often 30 fps!) or “fast mode with previous generation graphics and resolution” (usually some variable upscaled mess and far from native 4K).
It’s still a decent machine (I like it being silent a lot, load times are also quite good) and I enjoy gaming regardless of performance BUT their promises were nothing but a marketing scam. It feels far from “next generation” to me.
(Same goes for Xbox Series X of course, it’s just as bad in this sense.)
With their inability to meet demand that first year they made many of us into patient gamers. I bought a PS4 Pro for a couple hundred bucks when that frenzy was going down and will happily play through that massive catalog at 12 bucks a game as long as they still charge almost $500 for a 4-year-old console.
Good for you, IMO (and as a PS5 owner) you’re not missing much.
We should see an improvement in game quality for the platform once last-gen sales drop off enough that developers only need to target current-gen.
Right now any game that comes out for both PS4+5 is bottlenecked by PS4 memory and performance, with only easy wins taken for PS5 like higher quality assets and faster IO/FPS.
Designing a game for current-gen platforms from the ground up is when we’ll start to see some more impressive features, but there’s still money on the table for PS4 so it’ll be a few years (IMHO) before we see PS5 exclusives as the norm.
What I really read when you write that is “By the time the earnest benefits of the PS5 platform are realized, they’ll be selling PS5 Pro’s to brute force improvements”.
I’m not so sure, there are already pure PS5/XSX games and they are not THAT impressive. Also as someone else commented, once they reach that time there will be a PS5 Pro. This entire generation is a disappointing mess.
I hear ya but they launched with RDNA 2, ray tracing is AMD’s 1st gen implementation with dubious claims about their ray accelerators being a hardware solution, and 10tflops with 36 CU’s (compared to the 6800xt’s 72), the writing was on the wall during launch. Soon as we had specs, all of their claims looked like bullshit to me from the start.
I do admire their overclocking trick to compensate, and I do really enjoy their UX along with that bamf controller. They definitely pulled the right business tricks, but high framerates and ray tracing was laughable to me. Just marketing myth, and I feel you. 30fps is cringe to me and I wish consoles could get past that shit.
Yeah, I agree. Good load times, a silent console and the controller are the positive sides, most of the rest is disappointing. Same goes for the Xbox Series X, except the controller is not really an upgrade and that platform has almost zero really good exclusives. Even Game Pass, which was an amazing value deal a few years ago, has turned into a shovelware desert.
Lower the price.
Yep, the ps2 was half the launch price by this part of the cycle.
I wish they did the opposite. Release a €999 PS5 Pro with specs that justify that price.
Aside from the Switch, which just quietly prints money, this generation of consoles feels like a huge failure.
The Xbox launch was so bad I couldn’t tell you what the latest Xbox is called, and the PS5 had its hype during a global pandemic, and seemingly couldn’t bother to release games during that period.
While the “latter stage” could basically mean 4-5 years, I don’t really see what the big rush is. Let 2020-2022 be a write-off, and focus on getting some fucking games out! I have a PS5, but purely because I got it as a gift. All of my games, aside from one, are PS4 games.
Obviously, there will be some big names that’ll likely come out during this time. We’ll likely see a new COD game, GTA6, ideally a new GOW came, and FF7’s latest part. With that being said, 2024 is extremely underwhelming for games.
I just play upscaled 4k GameCube games on Dolphin.
The wii games look amazing too! I don’t remember Super Mario Galaxy looking that good.
They’ve barely released any PS5 exclusive games. This feels like a massive ripoff.
I mean probally cause the console was an utter failure, I see no diff between my ps4 to my ps5, Supply failed at launch for 3 years, the exclusives have sucked, PS Plus went up on all tiers and features for it have been a roaring dumpster fire this is without taking into concideration the UI revamp sucks. I haven’t even had the urge to fire mine up since October.
This compared to the series X that while hasn’t had /great/ exclusives either, has well counteracted that downside with a huge gamepass library that connects directly with PC and had the supply to keep up with demand.
Connection between PC and XBox is a feature that I didn’t know I would love so much before. The family is occupying the TV, fine I could fire the same game up on the PC.
Fully agree, I didn’t think I would use it much either, but the fact that you can make any game suddenly a keyboard and mouse game is a game changer. It opened up the ability to run your strategy and your RTs and your survival games using keyboard and Mouse games like Ark I can’t imagine playing with a controller however I can play with my Xbox friends because the fact that I can just play Ark using keyboard and mouse while they play on their console
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Sony now expects to sell 4 million fewer PS5 consoles in its 2023 fiscal year ending March 31st compared to previous projections, Bloomberg reports.
In its third quarter, Sony’s gaming revenue was up 16 percent versus the same period the previous year, sitting at 1.4 trillion yen (around $9.3 billion), but operating income was down 26 percent to 86.1 billion yen (around $572 million) due to promotions in the third quarter ending on December 31st.
According to Sony, the company plans to emphasize profitability over unit sales as the console approaches its fourth birthday.
“Looking ahead, PS5 will enter the latter stage of its life cycle,” said Sony senior vice president Naomi Matsuoka in comments reported by Bloomberg.
For this reason, we expect the annual sales pace of PS5 hardware will start falling from the next fiscal year.” Sony added it has no plans to release “any new major existing franchise titles” in its next fiscal year.
Later this year, Microsoft is expected to release a refreshed Xbox Series S and a disc-less Xbox Series X codenamed Brooklin with double the amount of storage as its existing model, while Nintendo is also expected to release a follow-up to its seven year-old Switch console.
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Why would anyone buy a PlayStation? All the games are making their way to PC now. Also the Xbox games. You can emulate the switch games.
Because we want to enjoy gaming in the couch and have no crappy hardware mess, driver and update hell. Just a box that works and can be played from cozy cushions while talking to friends next to us instead of sweat, back pain and eye strain at a desk.
If you like pc gaming that is great but it’s weird that you can’t see there are different types of gamers.
Ironically when I was at a friend who owned an Xbox One, he had to update his crap system way more often.
Oh yes I have an Xbox as well and the GAME updates are annoying as hell but the system OS itself only gets one small update maybe once a month at most. I think the convenience of a console with one box, a power cable and a hdmi cable and with the click of one button to have it up-to-date and a fixed ca 7 year lifetime with one system compared to a pc that you have to build yourself, check compatibility, install the OS, install and update graphics and other drivers with a floating generation meaning having to buy new hardware to match new games - it’s just a different thing.
Some love the building and updating part of a pc though, that’s great for them.
But all that requires effort. For many people, if there is an obstacle that takes away even just several minutes prior to actually playing the game, an important time window might be missed and the opportunity gone.
Also, sitting down in a dedicated space that more often than not features associations of work, an office etc. to play a game has a completely different vibe to it. You pretty much are required to switch your head space to “gaming”, it becomes a thing, something serious, non-casual. Depending on your living arrangements, you’re isolated from your family sitting in the living room while you’re in the “office space”, playing. You’re not lounging on a couch since that isn’t all that compatible with the input style of most games (ever found a relaxing pose operating a keyboard and mouse? For the love of god, teach me). I know PCs handle controllers just fine, but IMHO, not many games are optimized for controller usage on PC.
All that doesn’t really lend itself to a lifestyle where gaming, while still being enjoyed, simply doesn’t have the same goals or can even attain the same priority in life.
Let me shave off 25 minutes of my day to just relax on the couch dude, life is hard enough.
Demon Souls, Bloodborne and Last of Us (before it came to PC) for me. I use my PC connected to my TV 90% of the time but the monthly games with a PS subscription are pretty nice
Because I want to play on my couch, not at my desk. I want a system that works without me having to tweak it constantly.
The games don’t usually come out on PC until a significant amount of time has passed since the console release. Not everyone wants to wait, and often those games are poorly optimized on PC.
I stopped buying games on PlayStation since I got my Steam Deck, but there are occasionally exclusives that will entice me back. The next FFVII chapter is probably going to be one such game. I played the demo last weekend and enjoyed it immensely.
Poorly optimized? They run better on PC than PlayStation. Horizon zero dawn and FF7 remake run beautifully on the steam deck. A handheld.
Not at 4K they don’t, not on the Steam Deck anyway.
Yes, of course the steam deck doesn’t outperform a PlayStation 5. I said the games perform excellently and look great on handheld. They are very well optimized on PC.
But your original question was not if they will play on Steam Deck, but why someone would choose to buy those games on PlayStation instead of PC. Aside from the original reasons I laid out, higher resolution is another good reason why.
As an example of when games ported to PC are not as great as PlayStation games, here’s an excerpt from an article about The Last of Us Part I:
Even Naughty Dog itself had severe issues getting the game to run at 60fps, which required maximizing the CPU and GPU with a triple buffered rendering pipeline, and suffice it to say that porting to PC is an even greater challenge than that PS4 port.
Many of the problems at launch would cause crashes – often. I counted 12 separate crashes from starting the game until meeting Ellie, and this was on an AMD GPU which, unsurprisingly, this game favors. Nvidia players had it worse, or at least based on my testing with an RTX 2070. The main cause stems from memory limitations as you exceed the VRAM requirements, which then bleeds out into the shared graphics memory within your system RAM, causing hard page faults, reduced performance, and increased CPU demands alongside other memory related issues.
https://www.ign.com/articles/the-last-of-us-part-i-pc-vs-ps5-vs-steam-deck-performance-review
Why are you setting your resolution to 4k for a 1280x800 display?
I never said I was. The PS5 runs at that resolution. The question was asked why would anyone buy a PlayStation if the games find their way to PC. I gave reasons why someone might want to buy a game on PlayStation anyway. Higher resolution than the Steam Deck is capable of (handheld or docked) and ray tracing are good reasons why. That’s in addition to the release delay and their sometimes bad performance on PC.
They make their way to pc way later and if you want to play them at their best you need a graphics card and cpu combo that would cost more than a ps5.
Demons Souls being the exception that I can think of off the top of my head.
Cause I don’t want to spend more money and (more importantly) more time to build a PC. People got shit to do.
