Regarding lawyers and the discussion of self-policing, I’ve seen it in person and I find your statement both accurate and restrained, lol. It’s the same with doctors: talk about personal and specific incidents of overt medical misbehavior with doctors and you can feel their sphincter tightening even from your own chair.

I don’t expect either group to take it on publicly without a great deal more cause than exists now, or perhaps even ever, because the personal, professional cost of being the one to start the movement would be extreme and never-ending. There is a tribalism evident in both professions that I don’t think will ever change, not least because throughout the centuries both groups have worked very hard to keep their professions closed guilds, literally, complete with their own deliberately obscure argots. Change begins with the individual, and unfortunately, at this point I personally think the attack against any insider publicly calling for change instead of keeping it hidden within the group would be merciless, no matter how extreme the problem.

I will definitely look into the Serious Trouble podcast. And thank you for the thoughtful conversation likewise.