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    With how aggressive Microsoft is becoming with ads, services, and data collection they could at least make Windows itself free.

    But no, you still have to pay £100+ per license to have the pleasure of putting up with this crap.

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        Piracy is not a real solution to the problem. Microsoft allows these sorts of things to exist in the background because they would rather lose out on some sales than lose market share.

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          Ding ding ding!

          Like how Adobe puts minimal effort into protecting from cracks for their software.

          They’d much rather have little Jimmy and a million others pirate PS at home and get used to the workflow, so that businesses pay out big recurring fees for Adobe’s tools, which they will if that’s what everybody knows how to use.

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          Kinda the same thing as winrar. They rather have consumers get used to it so the companies they work at have a higher chance of buying licenses. That’s where the real money is.

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    I don’t see any enshitiffication features and ads in Windows 11 that Lemmy and tech news are reporting. I wonder if it’s because I’m in the EU.

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      They may have not implemented it yet. I see a lot of things reported that they are still testing.

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      New features get released into the developer preview. It’s basically beta test windows. It’s what the tech sites watch to see what new features/etc have been added/removed/changed. Usually they end up making it into the release builds, but sometimes they end up not doing it, or the change doesn’t apply to certain regions.

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    There has to be a point of diminishing returns for them with this kind of behavior. This is just so aggravating.

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      I’d wager they are hoping to entrap as many people as they can on the platform, with their TPM restrictions, and store restrictions, and account restrictions, that sunk cost fallacy will keep the overwhelming bulk of people stuck in their web.

      I’d also wager that enterprise probably doesnt have any of this bullshit

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        Can confirm, I run enterprise at home and have yet to see some of these shenanigans I’ve seen posted.

        But there’s still enough I hate about Windows 11 that I’m slowly transitioning to Linux and then just running windows in a VM for things there aren’t good alternatives for.

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    Now that Linux can run pretty much all the games I play on the PC I don’t think I’m going to have much use for windows at home anymore

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    Microsoft got to much time on their hands. Can they please work on the more important stuff like completing the transition from controlpanel to settings?

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      By the time they do that, they’ll have introduced a third settings app, and only four options from the current Win8/8.1/10/11 one will have been ported to it.

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      Or make Teams a not piece of shit. Even worse they had teams on Linux in the past. Now have new teams and new outlook, which are just electron…give it back to Linux please.

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          Nah, it’s because the technology hasn’t reached that level of advancement.

          Calculator: Now available for iPad (M10 with FP1 floating point coprocessor)

          /s

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    As much as I like Linux, and use it almost exclusively on desktop/laptop, every time I see something like this I am reminded how much I hate the fact that Apple of all companies is about the last bastion of commercial and consumer operating systems who isn’t trying to derive the bulk of their revenue from advertising.

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      Even Apple is falling. Their ad business (yes, they have one) makes billions and is the fastest growing part of the company. The app store is already quite ad-riddled, and the other parts of iOS are geared to get you to subscribe to all the Apple services.

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      In some sense yes, but advertising for its own stuff is advertising too. It nudges you to use their whole ecosystem.

      The most annoying thing for me is that you can’t remove the iTunes component in mission control (the settings deck).

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        It does nudge you…but it’s not full screen ads that take multiple clicks to get through every week. I was a Windows zealot through W7…W10 got bad…W11 got me to start using Apple and Linux.

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      Yes they just derive it by keeping the Windows/MacOS duopoly in place and monopolizing communication channels.

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    Every generation has this moment, where they learn to hate Microsoft (or Micro$oft). Then, 4% install Linux, 6% buy a Mac with half the RAM for twice the price; and everyone else to keeps complaining.

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      With me it was when they killed off my favorite browser. I’m now using the reanimated bushy red corpse of it.

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        MS has done shady things but Netscape’s own top employees have written about how Netscape destroyed itself with the version 4 rewrite. Joel Spolsky has also written about how complete rewrites are always a mistake.

        Their corporate side failed too. If you weren’t fortune 500, Netscape wouldn’t talk to you. I was spending $50k a year with Netscape and they wouldn’t fix a bug unless I paid for an additional $75k a year support tier. ( The bug was Netscape 4 didn’t support dialing with area codes! )

        Meanwhile during the late 90’s Microsoft devs put their personal emails in the readme.txts and would quickly patch any bugs or add features if you emailed them.

        All the small isp’s (which were over 50% of the market) gave up on Netscape because of this.

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    Linux and Nvidia really need to sort out their shit so I can fully dump windows.

    Luckily the AI hype is good for something in this regard, since running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.

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      Its mainly Nvidia’s shit. The only reason Nvidia is caring about Linux now, is that is the platform AI models use.

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      The only thing keeping me on windows is the Nvidia GPU in my laptop. If Linux got actual dynamic GPU switching support I would delete windows and never look back.

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        it has that? You can use the nvidia utility to enable that on most any distro, or just use Pop_OS! 24.04 when it releases.

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          I’ve tried what popOS had around 6 months ago, and it wasn’t what I wanted. I needed to manually launch apps with the GPU. I want it to work like it does in windows where when the igpu gets too much load it dynamically switches to the dgpu.

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        Bazzite has an image that includes integrated chip swapping on my nitro 5

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      I’ve been running NVIDIA under Linux for about six years now, with no more issues than one would encounter running hardware/drivers from a number of manufacturers under a number of platforms.

      In all honesty, I’ve encountered far more issues regarding HP printer drivers under Windows.

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        I’ve been using Nvidia under Linux for the last 3 years and it has been massive pita.

        Getting CUDA to work consistently is a feat, and one that must be repeated for most driver updates.

        Wayland support is still shoddy.

        Hardware acceleration on the web (at least with Firefox) is very inconsistent.

        It is very much a second-class experience compared to Windows, and it shouldn’t be.

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          CUDA works fine here, in all honesty it’s never given me any problems. NVENC works fine, DLSS1, DLSS2, and DLSS3 all work fine, RTX runs at acceptable FPS compared to AMD under Linux - and NVIDIA Reflex is supported as of VKD3D-Proton 2.12 and DXVK-NVAPI 0.7.

          On top of that, FSR is also fully supported - as is HDMI 2.1.

          I only use Firefox, and hardware web rendering works fine. Hardware video acceleration isn’t working yet, but running back to back tests at 1080p with hardware video decoding under VLC, the difference between hardware video decoding and CPU rendering is about 5% CPU usage on average running a desktop PC with adequate power supply/cooling capacity as opposed to a laptop with limited power supply/cooling capacity.

          The only problem with Wayland under KDE 6 is the lack of any form of sync, but explicit sync has ‘finally’ been merged, and should be supported under the 555 branch of drivers. Once explicit sync is supported, I really have few Wayland issues left to complain about.

          Overall, I really don’t experience any showstopper issues that have me wanting for Windows in the slightest.

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        My old HP printer won’t even install on Win10 anymore. The have also removed the driver from the HP website. I’m sure you can still find it on some sketchy website, but I’d rather just use Mint on a laptop for printing all the 3 documents I print each year. Not to mention that windows updates take FOREVER on this low powered dual core laptop. On Mint it’s seconds.

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      PopOS has a good nvidia card support, try it out! It made me dump windows last October.

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      since running gpus on Linux servers is suddenly much more important.

      It’s always been important. Nvidia will never have actual open source drivers. They do this thing where they intentionally hobble your GPU unless you pay them even more money for a more expensive GPU.

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    Question: if you skipped signing in to Microsoft when you set up Windows, does this f’upgrade still happen?

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    This is what happens when they know you won’t leave.

    “But muh games…and Linux is too difficult and weird”

    I say to those: well then you’ve made your choice, didn’t you? It’s going to keep happening, like it’s been since the 90s.

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      I may be spoiled in that I don’t play AAA multiplayer games, but I do play AAA single player and indie single/multiplayer (usually the type where one of the players is also the server, e.g. Terraria).

      Been running Linux on my systems for more than a decade, and - especially since Proton/SteamDeck enchantments made their way upstream - I haven’t had any major ssues (except having to wait a while to play RDR2-PC in Ubuntu because of a weird game-specific graphics card driver issue, but even that was fixed in due course).

      Fuck Windows, and fuck the assertion that it’s the only way to run games.

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      What about people who needs NURBS tools and Affinity/Adobe class art softwares? Where do they go that corporations decided Windows and Mac are only to be supported? And believe me, plenty of them hates Windoze and I’m one of them.

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        Develop own software or support indepndent sw development however you can.

        If you really need something, think about your personal dependencies and try to build some resilience / backups , one way or another.
        Whatever your craft, a pathway towards ownership and control of tools and maintenance should be a traditional part of mastering the craft.
        So that you can eventually do things like extend the toolset, or adapt tools to niche circumstances and advance things along.

        If you don’t have that pathway, then you might end up trapped as an apprentice or journeyperson and will continue to be exploited by those who control the things you depend on.
        If there’s no freedom and no way to develop competition in the supply chain, then you probably would benefit from - collective organisations such as trades-guilds, or professional associations or trade-unions to counter the power imbalance, and represent your needs - but they can also get captured/bribed so those probably need a bit of effective democracy / transparency/accountability or something. I’m not going to suggest govt regulation, becasuse that’s super easy to capture and national-election democracy is a weak control, but you might get some progressive govts like some European ones that’d think about doing something suppoting foss projects, maybe.

        It might not be easy, but you have to look for and support those types of features for the good of your industry.
        Corps will eat their industry for a quick $, it’s the workers, tradespeople and masters of the craft and some small businesses who care about the long term. And maybe any enlightened customers if you’re lucky enough to have them.

        As an example, for physical 3d cad, personally I don’t like freecad much it’s complex and not very intuitive; but it lets me do all the maths I want in python, with my own made up data structures / object model. So i’ll use and support freecad 100% over all the other more user friendly CAD that i’ve seen - it really is the freedom, and not being so dependant.

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          Dual booting kinda sucks. It fragments your workflow and it is pretty disruptive compared to just being able to move to whatever you need to move to.

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              That’s better but assuming they have a system that can run windows in a VM at native resolution it’s still a broken workflow that won’t attract people to Linux.

              Look Linux is my daily driver, my entire lab is Linux. We use a combination of Debian, fedora, and rhel. I’m not opposed to using other distros. It’s okay for working with my peers who are on windows but not the best. Easy enough to work around.

              However if an important part of your workflow requires Windows, Adobe, Autodesk, the murky shit of office products, etc., then arguing for dual booting, using a VM , or a different computer isn’t going to win people to Linux. It makes proponents seem silly

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      Why is the target of your comment towards people that use Windows?

      I am not sure why People on Lemmy feel like if they point something out to people who can’t see the comment is going to get them to change their mind.

      I have and use both Linux and Windows. I prefer both for different reasons.

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        I know I’m talking into the void. I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. I’m too tired of trying to do that. Just trying to get people to realize they made the choices they have to live with.