A top Hamas political official told The Associated Press the Islamic militant group is willing to agree to a truce of five years or more with Israel and that it would lay down its weapons and convert into a political party if an independent Palestinian state is established along pre-1967 borders.

  • WamGams@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    I would personally reject this deal.

    The Palestinian people do not deserve to live under the rule of Hamas. In 19 years of living under Hamas, after all the money given to them by the US, France, the UK, Qatar, Iran, and even Israel, the only thing they built for the Palestinian people has been tunnels to commit terrorism from.

      • assassin_aragorn@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        I mean yeah, but why can’t we have a two state solution that gets rid of Hamas as a governing authority and also stops genocide?

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          5 months ago

          The thing you will notice about these accounts is that they aren’t actually allowed to make unqualified anti-Hamas statements.

          Because they almost certainly aren’t real accounts.

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              5 months ago

              Probably thr same rate as you. Though somebody told me they aren’t actually paying you, just offering vague promises of virgins in the afterlife.

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                Lol there is no afterlife my guy. So ain’t no promise of virgins is going to convince me to do anything.

                Why would I want to fuck virgins anyway? I’d prefer the ladies be somewhat experienced… Otherwise it’s boring.

                I wouldn’t accept payment for this, I have a real job that’s actually productive and makes peoples’ lives better in tangible ways. That’s enough for me. This is just bonus.

                Maybe that’s just a “leftist” attitude that you can’t comprehend.

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                  5 months ago

                  Are Pro-Hamas tankies actually part of the left though? I don’t know, man, so far I would say you are severely too rightwing for me.

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              5 months ago

              Clearly humans are operating the accounts, friend.

              Are you being forced to jump to the defense of Pro-Hamas accounts, or is it a hobby?

              • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
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                5 months ago

                Oh, it’s just that everyone that thinks different than you is under duress huh? Or paid? I guess I’m that case I don’t think you’re being vacuous.

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                  I have probably 15 accounts in my inbox accusing me, an explicitly pro-Palestinian person, of being pro-genocide, because I have made anti-Hamas comments. You being one of them.

                  Perhaps you have a better explanation. Is the movement so full of idiots who can’t differentiate between Hamas and the Palestinian people, or is something else happening here? You tell me.

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                    The level of irony here is quite amusing. You’re complaining that you’re being accused of things you aren’t by saying that I’m accusing you of things I didn’t.

      • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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        Haha. Some fight. Millions of people living and dying in poverty and malnourishment so they could do a mass shooting of 1,300 people. They really showed em!

        They have zero chance of fighting Israel and the only proper course for Hamas is an unconditional surrender and whatever peace terms Israel will grant them. They should be lucky to get the rights due prisoners of war. Usually you have to put yourself in a uniform to get those rights.

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          This is the reality no one wants to accept. Either surrender unconditionally, or be ethnically cleansed because it’s clear the rest of the world’s governments don’t care.

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          The Palestinian cause was already dying and it was only time before they were erased or expunged. What hamas did was revive that cause, even if you don’t agree with them killing civilians (which i dont either). Most Palestinians were already living in terrible conditions and not because of hamas but because of the israel blockade of gaza. Which rendered it essentially to concentration camp.

          The 1300 figure wasnt all by hamas. And from what we know so far about 300 were soliders, 300 were killed by israel themselves in the crossfire, and 300 were indeed civilians.

          So far hamas has done pretty good for it self and has made some losses for israel. At the very least you can see its not a victory for israel.

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            Bud anyone that died in the chaos on October 7 was killed by Hamas. That’s how criminal culpability works.

            The blockade too was caused by Hamas and its ideological allies and predecessors. Every fucked up thing about Gaza in 2024 is traceable to poor decisions by their own leadership. They turned every public institution into instrumentalities of international terrorism. Hamas is the enemy. It’s sad they have used psychotic interpretations of Islam to convince apparently significant portions of the Gazans public that Martyrdom™ is a civic duty, like where a legitimate state might have jury service or voting, but an evil, fanatical thing, not civic at all.

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      After Ireland gained independence they fought a civil war. Same in countless outer places. The Greeks fought one while fighting for independence. I fully expect the Palestinians to do the same.

      The thing is: the Israelis don’t get to decide any of this. That what independence from Israel means.

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        Israel is preventing this self determination by enforcing the weapons blockade on Gaza. All Israel has to do is nothing. Just stop actively preventing these people from being armed, and the human spirit will do the rest.

        And just to be clear, I do NOT mean “CIA should go train some paramilitary to take down Hamas”.

        Instead I mean “This is a gun store. Any adult may come here and trade money for a gun. That gun is now yours to do with as you see fit. You can hang it on your wall. You can use it to make sandwiches. You can shoot cans in an alley. Whatever. It’s your gun.”

        Literally just let these people exercise their rights.

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          Israel is preventing this because, in practice, most people don’t want to die in a civil war. This would just lead to better-equipped terrorists killing even more Jews.