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    Did you seriously just turn trump talking about deporting us citizens because they are saying something he doesn’t like into “but here is why the democrats suck”?

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      1 month ago

      Democrats do need a clearer distinction between themselves and Republicans on this issue.

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      If the Dems only standard is:

      Not trump

      While I agree it’s good to at least maintain that, it’s not enough to get the votes need to beat Trump.

      It barely worked when he was in office, why wouldn’t 24 be more like 16 than 20?

      I don’t think people understand that when the candidates are as bad as Biden and trump, that being an incumbent is a disadvantage.

      If you think people want Biden as president, you’re not paying attention

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        I think there is very much an argument for working to get Democrats we actually WANT to vote for down ballot so that we actually have someone “good” in 4 years.

        Having the other candidate openly talk about violating the rights of a significant part of the country is not that moment. And the fact that you want to turn this into an attack on the Democrats makes me REALLY suspicious of what your actual motives are.

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          Having the other candidate openly talk about violating the rights of a significant part of the country is not that moment

          This is Trump’s 3rd election…

          Why are Dems still running unpopular candidates like Biden?

          If all that matters is beating trump like they’ve been saying for over a decade, why dont we run a candidate that’s popular with voters?

          Why run an old conservative just because trump is worse?

          You know this isn’t the norm right? Do you not remember Bill and Obama’s first campaigns?

          That’s the type of campaign we need, otherwise there’s a good chance Biden loses.

          You can be mad at it, it you can accept it. But Biden isn’t popular due to his words and actions

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            Why are Dems still running unpopular candidates like Biden?

            Because he’s the sitting President and leader of the Democratic party. I don’t understand why this simple fact is so hard to understand.

            There’s only one person who can decide Biden shouldn’t be the nominee and that’s Biden. See Johnson in '68. Johnson chose to step aside.

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            Obama was HEAVILY criticized for his, quite frankly excessive, use of drones in assassinations.

            And Clinton had a LONG history of controversies even before he ran for office.

            Regardless, Biden is the incumbent. Replacing him is the Democrats saying that they have no faith in the president.

            Again, there is a lot of reason to discuss how to salvage the Democratic Party. But not really one where the opposition is talking about illegally deporting protesters.

            Keep this up and people will assume you are just a dumbass tankie who is regurgitating Russian and CCP talking points.

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              They were young and charismatic…

              No one said they were perfect but they were popular with voters.

              Biden isn’t young, and he’s not charismatic. So he’s not popular with voters.

              Are you forgetting how close 2020 was? Don’t be fooled when vote totals go up, they always go up with population. But even to get trump actively out of office, Biden pulled an embarrassing percent of eligible voters.

              This election he’s less popular, and frankly he didn’t really have any room to spare.

              You’re talking about this like reality matters, not perception.

              And next time, at least put your insults at the front, I wouldn’t have typed all that if I’d seen it.