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Why does Biden support genocide?
Because he’s a self-proclaimed Zionist and the end goal of Zionism has always been genocide. Now, why is he a Zionist? shrugs
why is he a Zionist?
Also notice that he taken more money since the start of the Gaza slaughter
Zionism doesn’t imply Genocide
The fact is, however, that they impinge— as they always have— on the Arab residents of the territories, and then they have a distinct cutting edge to them. Both in theory and in practice their effectiveness lies in how they Judaize territory coterminously with de-Arabizing it. There is privileged evidence of this fact, I think, in what Joseph Weitz had to say. From 1932 on, Weitz was the director of the Jewish National Land Fund; in 1965 his diaries and papers, My Diary, and Letters to the Children, were published in Israel. On December 19, 1940, he wrote:
_“. . . after the Second World War the question of the land of Israel and the question of the Jews would be raised beyond the framework of “ development”; amongst ourselves. !t must be clear that there is no room for hoth peoples in this country. No ‘development’ will bring us closer to our aim. To be an independent people in this small country. If the Arabs leave the country, it will be broad and wide-open for us. And if the Arabs stay, the country will remain narrow and miserable.
When the War is over and the English have won, and when the judges sit on the throne of Law, our people must bring theirpetitions and their claim before them; and the only solution is Eretz Israel, or at least Western Eretz Israel, without Arabs. There is no room for compromise on this point! The Zionist enterprise so far, in terms of preparing the ground and paving the way for the creation of the Hebrew State in the land of Israel, has been fine and good in its own time, and could do with ‘‘land-buying ’— but this will not bring about the State of Israel; that must come all at once, in the manner of a Salvation (this is the secret of the Messianic idea); and there is no way besides transferring the Arabs from here to the neighboring countries, to transfer them all: except maybe for Bethlehem, Nazareth and Old Jerusalem, we must not leave a singlevillage, not a single tribe. And the transfer must be directed to Iraq, to Syria, and even to Transjordan. For that purpose we’ll find money, and a lot of money. And only with such a transfer will the country be able to absorb millions of our brothers, and the Jewish question shall be solved, once and for all. There is no other way out."_These are not only prophetic remarks about what was going to happen; they are also policy statements, in which Weitz spoke with the voice of the Zionist consensus. There were literally hundreds of such statements made by Zionists, beginning with Herzl. and when ‘salvation’ came it was with those ideas in mind that the conquest of Palestine, and the eviction of its Arabs, was carried out.
~The Question of Palestine, Edward Said
There’s literally dozens of other quotes like this one from people instrumental in the founding of Israel in this chapter, and they are similarly genocidal. It was honestly pretty transparent what they were going for.
The existence of Zionists who wish to erase Palestine (of which there are many) does not change the situation.
The end goal of a Jewish homeland has always been genocide of Arabs?
I suspect that isn’t true but am willing to read whatever you are basing this claim off of.
Well, when you want to establish your homeland somewhere that people are already living, yeah it takes displacement. But they’re not just displacing them, they’re killing them.
Trusting Google results? In the days of the LLM takeover? Nah
You don’t trust the Google result for defining a word? Really? You think this is an LLM mediated result? Really?
Where else were the survivors of the holocaust credibly being offered the establishment of their own government beside their actual homeland?
of their own government
Dingdingding and there we have it, antisemitism by calling all Jews zionist.
Ethnic nationalism is just racism, whether practiced by white supremacist MAGA Americans or Holocaust survivors. In a liberal democracy, the government serves all people regardless of race. I’m confused by your premise that Holocaust survivors were entitled to their own ethnic state for some reason.
Also, the Zionist movement was not a response to the Holocaust. It was a colonial enterprise that began well before the Holocaust in response to widespread persecution especially in Central Europe. Many Jews opposed the Jewish nationalism undergirding Zionism for the same reasons liberals today reject virtually all nationalist movements. Many emigrated to liberal democracies like the United States where they could live free of ethnic discrimination. Zionists instead chose to respond with their own ethnic persecution.
It is worth recalling in this connection that at the turn of the century, Zionism’s similarities to other projects of colonization were not a source of embarrassment or shame for most of the movement’s adherents; indeed, they often saw them as a selling point. Zionist leaders studied and sought to learn from the experience of European colonial-settlement enterprises in places like Algeria, Rhodesia, and Kenya, and many imagined their own endeavor as similar in certain ways. Moreover, the Zionist movement readily used such terms as “colony,” “colonial,” and “colonization” to refer to its activities; thus, for example, the original name of its financial arm was the Jewish Colonial Trust. It was only later, after the First World War, that colonialism came to have strongly pejorative connotations for many Europeans. As a consequence the Zionist movement sought to dissociate itself from other European projects of colonization and settlement, began to stress the uniqueness and noncolonial character of its mission and methods, and stopped using such terms, at least in languages other than Hebrew.
Zachary Lockman, Comrades and Enemies: Arab and Jewish Workers in Palestine, 1906-1948 (University of California Press, 1996) 21-57.
Why did you respond to a question yet refuse to answer the question?
If being a victim of the Holocaust entitles you to your own government, how comes you’ve never argued for establishing a homeland of the Romani people?
What are you suggesting should have been done with the Jewish survivors if returning to their homeland itself is unacceptable to you?
For a person born in Germany, raised in Germany, taught to speak, read and write German, their homeland is Germany. German Jewish victims of the Holocaust ought to have been extraordinarily repaired, and given the pleasure of seeing their victimizers fallen in disgrace, tried, condemned and punished (part of which did happen), not told to pack their bags and leave to a country they’ve never set a foot in. The idea that someone who’s born in a specific ethnic group has their “homeland” at some special, historical place is an extremely ideological view that has much more to do with nazism than with the ideals of freedom and human rights.
By the way, you haven’t answered my question. In your racist worldview that ethnicities belong to specific strips of land, where do the Romani belong?
You’re not going to get far using a definition of Zionism that practically vanished after WII and the founding of Israel, least of all in the current climate. Simply not the opportune moment.
Also already back then there were Zionists who saw it as an explicitly settler-colonial project.
There’s almost 6 million reasons why.
Because the calculation has been made, he will lose more votes from people who support Israel than people who support Palestine because the first ones don’t mind the alternative which will support Israel even more and the second ones will be in deep shit if Trump gets elected so they have no choice.
Are we always going to be prisoners to these types of choices?
Removed by mod
Because certain closely knit ethnicity has significant power and wealth in US economy, so neither Republicans or Democrats want to fuck with that setup?
I wouldn’t say ethnic group.
To be more specific, the lobby group, AIPAC, has immense political power.
Black people?
Israel is not only starving Gazans, they’ve BEEN starving Gazans for DECADES.
That’s been the whole point of the blockade.
This is genocide denial plain and simple.
Also remember that whenever anyone tries to tell you that you shouldn’t be bringing up Biden’s genocide support because it might hurt his chances in the US election, they are also doing genocide denial. They are genocide deniers.
They may not be denying that the genocide is happening, they’re just denying that we should talk about it. They’re denying its importance.
And sure, Trump would probably be worse at this, so vote. But if Biden genuinely needs widespread genocide denial to win then that is not only not an acceptable thing to ask of voters, it is also unhinged. People know about the genocide, they know Biden is dragging his feet on the issue and pretending that’s not happening just to protect him makes his case look extremely weak.
If you really think that no amount of denouncement and excoriation will influence him to stop supporting genocide then again, you are saying awful things about him without realising it.
He also claimed there’s no genocide
Why did he build the pier for aid?
To all those people who keep saying that in order to not have Trump back in 2025, everyone must suck it up and vote Biden, this is why that just can’t happen.
Sure Trump is bad in many ways but Biden’s insistence on helping Netenyahu no matter what will lose him the election.
I’m not making a case for Trump, btw. Both things can be bad at the same time. For people who are seeing Gazans die for no reason, Biden cannot come back into office again. Does that mean we want Trump? Of course not, and that’s why voting for anyone else makes sense.
If voting for anyone else means you’re voting for Trump, so be it!
Absolutely do not vote for Trump, that’s like voting for MORE genocide. Vote for a third party and focus the fight for change outside/beyond the electoral system.
Not how US Elections work. Only the winner writes the laws, if you want election reform then vote Dem. If you want Trump, don’t vote dem. Those are the only two options, voting third party does nothing to help. The cumulative sum of all EC Votes given to third party candidates in the USA for 47 years is 0, and we’re risking a lot by not firmly establishing DNC leadership as the lesser evil.
No. Biden must be worthy of the office on his own merits. Or else this voting thing is useless. the people cannot hold their officials accountable if they must vote for them. That’s just an oligarchy with extra steps.
So who’s worthy of the office that has a chance to win in November then?
Let’s see you name someone.
It’s easy to suggest people not vote- but let’s see you offer up a candidate in Biden’s stead since you hate him so much.
It’s entirely possible to leave the field blank.
Nope. Name someone. Because leaving the field blank doesn’t negate an election. Someone is still going to be president.
Name someone.
Mr. Blank Field
“Just don’t vote”
“Idk, sounds kind of fascist to me, bro”
How the fuck is it fascism to use a feature of a democracy? You’ve gone completely off the cliff.
No. You have a responsibility to help the people that you can. Doing nothing while a worse person takes office is the same as you advocating for harm, directly.
And we can help people by pressuring Biden.
Trump is leading in the majority of polls, you’re not going to be able to pressure anybody when he wins.
That’s irrelevant. Trump is not the President. Pressuring him will do us no good.
Voting for a third party, especially if you are in a key swing state, is a bad idea. If you are a registered democrat you’ll have to vote democrat to keep Biden.
Voting third party in a swing state is an amazing idea. It shows that they will lose voters if they ignore their voterbase.
It’s good to see you finally being openly honest with your wish to fuck up America.
Heads up: your little group of accelerationists don’t represent the Democratic voter base, by the way. You have already been counted out demographically as they know that every four years there will be people that will buy into conservative propaganda and not vote.
Just like what’s happening here.
Dude, you cannot just go around calling people you disagree with terrorists. Not voting for Biden for one time is not Accelerationism.
“While originally used by the far left, the term has, in a manner strongly distinguished from original accelerationist theorists, been used by right-wing extremists.”
Unless your boy is a conservative posing as a left wing propagandist, I’m not accusing anyone of being a “terrorist.“
What you’re all doing though, is your very best to ensure this country collapses under Trump. And you’re all insisting everyone not vote for the one person with the chance to keep him from overthrowing America over a single issue you didnt even give a shit about less than a year ago…
That means….
A. That’s your opinion. Nobody here has said they want the country to collapse. Accusing them of accelerationism is unfounded at best.
B. Left wing violent accelerationism very much exists in extreme anarchist movements. Not sure why wiki ignored that. But the number of non violent accelerationists is incredibly small. As an ideology it quickly moves people along into violence as the only way to truly move faster.
C. It would be entirely inside their ideology for a conservative accelerationist to depress the vote by any means. They want the democracy gone.
So, again. You do not get to accuse people of being terrorists or political extremists just because they won’t vote for your fearless leader. It’s ridiculous, self serving, and bad faith in a democracy.
Voting for Biden now is taking the brakes off a car heading towards a cliff.
The Democrats will never ever change course from becoming an extreme right wing party. Actually it’s too late.
Democrats are on board with Genocide and their immigration policy is at Trump levels. There is nothing to gain anymore with Biden winning.
And voting for Trump is what exactly? Because that is what you are accomplishing with your propaganda here. You’re getting Trump elected.
And everyone knows when that happens, you will disappear from here and resurface as a victim like the rest of the far left.
Every four years…
