• MajorHavoc@programming.dev
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    Yeah, but we’ve been on this stressful ride before, and we know where it ends.

    There were lots of attempts at a closed source proprietary Internet protocol. They have all resoundly failed, after looking unbeatable. Some folks still fondly remember the closed Internet protocols like OLE COM, ActiveX, Flash, Cold Fusion, and SilverLight, but few of us miss them. Okay, I do miss Flash games.

    Good touchscreen phone operating systems were a “will this ever be matched?” trade secret at Blackberry and Apple. Now the vast majority of phones run open source Android.

    Much earlier, most good-enough C compilers were expensive proprietary closed source products. Now I see very little being compiled on anything other than the free and open source GCC. Even most other programming languages and tools are now FOSS, as well. I can’t think of much for development that cracks the top 20 that isn’t FOSS. JetBrains IDEs stand out as a lone closed source hold-out.

    Open standards always win, in the end.

    The desktop computing default is honestly way overdue to switch to FOSS. That’s why it’s the year of the Linux desktop.

    The Fediverse is here to stay, and is all that’ll be left in a couple decades. But in the meantime, it’s cozy!

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      Now the vast majority of phones run open source Android.

      to be fair, this was almost certainly a reaction to the iphone. Still open, so there’s that.

      Seems like the cycle is either:

      • someone has a good idea, it’s open source.
      • someone has a good idea, it’s closed source, someone else makes something similar, but open source.
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        Yep. It often takes quite awhile. And I honestly don’t mind supporting innovators who want to sell something closed but really good.

        But as I get older, and watch the pattern over and over, I’m starting to appreciate skipping the cycle by directly adopting the open thing as early as I can.

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          yeah, the general rule of thumb seems to be that if it’s universal, it needs to be open. The farther niche it goes, the less open it has to be, on principle of utility. Open standards are only good people it’s so easy for them to get accepted. That’s why closed standards often just don’t go very far.

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      They have all resoundly failed, after looking unbeatable

      “Failed” how? Failed in that they sucked to use, yeah. Failed as in people stopped using them? No. Failed as in their profits plummeted? No. Their users are gluttons for abuse and exploitation. And their users are nearly everyone I know. They don’t care.

      Now the vast majority of phones run open source Android.

      No they don’t. It’s only ~50% of the US market and ~60% of the global market. Also at the time it was a very competitive market and OEMs like Nokia and Motorola all had their day. That hasn’t been true since the original iPhone some 15 years ago.

      Open standards always win, in the end.

      LOL no they don’t? In fact they almost always don’t.

      The desktop computing default is honestly way overdue to switch to FOSS.

      It will never be, for the same reason it has a whopping 4% today. It’s complicated and difficult to use, and no one is spending money on marketing to convince people to even try it.

      The Fediverse…is all that’ll be left in a couple decades.

      That’s nothing but a wild utopian delusion…

      Honestly, I wish it were true. I wish you were right. I wish people respected themselves to take the time and learn about all the corporations that are fucking up their lives, and to take the time and learn how to take the according action, but at best they don’t care, and more often then not they will actually go out of their way to defend the corporations that are fucking them. If they cared, the corporations wouldn’t be able to fuck them, and we would live in a completely different world.