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At this point, I have lost count of the number of times that I’ve left my perfectly working Windows computer at the end of my work day, only to return to a completely broken computer that won’t boot the next morning.
I find this to either be a lie or self inflicted. I manage a small fleet of a few hundred windows systems and all updates have been fine for years.
In the windows admin user groups there are more than a few that are deploying updates within 24hrs of release to thousands of servers and workstations and have not reported issues.
Lastly I think that tech bloggers say things like this to get clicks, so they can get ad revenue. Then they also tell you how to disable updates so they can get more clicks and ad revenue.
It’s disingenuous and probably harmful to be telling people to disable updates that lead them to be exposed to vulnerabilities.
I hate Windows for all the monetisation and privacy issues but I never really had problems with it killing my computer.
I had a Windows 10 update fuck up my laptop for about 15 hours until it somehow magically unfucked itself and started working again once.
But thats about it
A future Linux enjoyer spotted
I LOVE Linux and I am still to lazy to use it on my gaming PC… normal folks don’t want anything to do with it. Effort is an allergen.
what afford is there with steam?
but yeah if it is not steam, fair
Not everyone likes Linux.
Why wouldn’t you?
Hard to figure out. Have to settle for similar but different apps. Video drivers not built in. Inconsistant bluetooth. Update all breaks everything. Hard to get support for your individual set-up when Linux is so fractured.
Just to name a few.
Hard to figure out
Which part? The one where to install an app, instead of downloading a .exe you search for the app in the package manager?
Have to settle for similar but different apps.
That’s not exclusive to Linux though. Like for example moving to MacOS you wouldn’t really expect for all the apps to work either?
Video drivers not built in.
Video drivers aren’t built into Windows either? And on Linux, AMD’s drivers are (as I understand it), and for Nvidia, you’ll probably have Noveau installed.
Inconsistent bluetooth.
How? I’ve found BT to just work on Linux, while on Windows I had to track down the specific drivers.
Update all breaks everything.
Unless you installed Arch (or any rolling release distro) as your first distro, this probably won’t be an issue.
Hard to get support for your individual set-up when Linux is so fractured.
Then maybe install Mint, Ubuntu, Pop!_OS or anything more widespread that does have the support you want?
Man. That’s some weak-sauce arguments against linux. In my experience, just a default Mint install with no stuffing around of any kind came with fully-functional video drivers and bluetooth. No update has ever broken anything; and the first thing that launches after a fresh install is a menu with bunch of different ways to get personal support for Mint.
I don’t like Ubuntu that much but one thing they really do right is a tool that made installing the few drivers not built into the kernel stupid easy. That’s the number one thing I see people mess up with Nvidia drivers. You always install Nvidia drivers through your distro app store/package manager never the website.
I understand the mistake but it’s painful to see someone manually install Nvidia drivers from their website just for it to shit the bed in a kernel update.
I’m sure the update manager was probably very important back in the day but I am glad updates come through the software manager now. Even though I don’t use it it’s very intuitive.
It’s kind of disingenuous of you to proudly say, “I don’t use the same version of Windows that this person likely does and I don’t have the same issues that this person does so they must be full of shit”.
There aren’t many versions of windows since 10 and 2016. They are all very similar now.
There are vast differences between Windows home and Windows pro and Windows Enterprise editions as far as how easy it is to control and block off the annoyance ware that Microsoft builds into it.
If you use deployment software to roll out your images after standardizing them and have a set image that you can deploy to a thousand computers as easily as one then it’s very simple to sign in with a local domain account and disable the windows things through a group policy and just start rocking and rolling whereas your average Windows home user is not going to even have access to GPO and we’ll have to tediously for each and every single computer every single time they reset it redo all of the things to disable all of Microsoft’s crap activation.
They are not entirely different but definitely distinct versions of Windows and dismissing the home and non-enterprise users that their experience is inferior to your experience on the Enterprise side is what I’m saying is disingenuous
It’s kind of a wide disparity for something that’s so locked down, though. It’s not as though one person is saying they get occasional issues and the other is they often have issues… it’s one person basically saying their own personal computer is nigh unusable and the other providing an example of a large number of examples of that being extremely unlikely…
It’s far more likely this individual is fucking up their computer on a regular basis, or has a very high bar of usability that is broken any time there is even the slightest hiccup or inconvenience.
The interesting thing for me is that I own two different surface pro 7 tablets. I have one for work and one for home (now that work doesn’t require me to bring my own device anymore). The work surface has windows 10 pro on it. My home one doesn’t, The difference is very interesting. The IT team have disabled a lot of stuff on my work surface that I don’t even have access to on my home unit. I don’t often have bugs from updates breaking things at work. I do at home though which is enough for me to perhaps upgrade the windows key on my home unit someday. If I don’t install linux first which is a possibility.
That’s the difference between the Home and Pro versions though. The things that generally break on the Home versions are all the things not generally enabled on a domain controlled Pro version. Thisbis more about Microsoft just being bad at small updates versus these giant roundup packages they like to ship.
What things? Home just doesn’t have GPO as far as I know.
I find this to either be a lie or self inflicted.
“I’ve never experienced what you describe, so it must be either imagined or your own fault.”
I’ve seen this nonsense over and over again in communities of all kinds, most often in tech forums (where there are always a few participants suffering from a big-fish-little-pond effect). It’s a very rude and foolish bit of human behavior.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Not just me, many others.
My two cents, I could say the same as the author. My Windows work laptop most of the times cannot wake up from sleep (you know, opening the lid after it’s closed) so I have to force a restart. There’s a 50% or less chance that Bluetooth and WiFi won’t work at all (they won’t be displayed on Windows, like it’s not even a feature) after I turn the laptop on, so most of my pre-work morning is restarting the laptop until it’s working as intended. It’s the third laptop I got from them, they’re different models but they’re all HP, and they all had problems. The Macs and the same HP laptops running Linux have none of these issues.
It’s disingenuous and probably harmful to be telling people to disable updates that lead them to be exposed to vulnerabilities.
That is probably why Microsoft forced updates on people in W10.
I can kind of feel the author on this. I’m in charge of a lot of “special projects” at work that basically come down to, “figure out a way to replicate this extremely expensive technology or software using low cost or free alternatives”. It ends up being an unholy mix of programs and hardware that is held together with duct tape and super glue and any minor perturbation means something breaks.
Sounds like less of a Windows problem than an individual problem, though.
Blaming Windows cause your Frankenstein machine breaks often is disingenuous.
I’m not passing blame. Just giving an example.
Summary:
- The author expresses dissatisfaction with the commercial and impersonal feel of modern Windows operating systems.
- Past versions of Windows were disconnected and resilient, providing a more personal user experience.
- Advertising integration in Windows has made it feel cheaper and less user-friendly.
- Updates, intrusive changes, settings modifications, and lack of control are common issues plaguing modern Windows systems.
- The author compares the current Windows experience to the offline glory days of Windows, highlighting the shift in user experience.
- Windows now includes advertising, which some users find intrusive and unwanted.
- Updates on Windows often lead to issues, with users experiencing broken computers after updates.
- Users complain about settings changing after updates, impacting their preferences and privacy settings.
- The author switched to macOS due to technical issues with Windows updates, appreciating the user experience on macOS.
- Linux is praised for respecting its users by providing the operating system for free without intrusive ads.
- The author hopes for a future version of Windows that offers more user control and less interference from Microsoft’s software-as-a-service products.
did chatgpt wrote that for you
Lol, when I do summaries from now on, I’m going to have to start them with “Blorf blarf, I’m a human” or something. I’ve been accused of using GPT for things I’ve written myself. No, no GPT (not now or ever). I just know how to use words when I want to.
…You’re not OP.
no u
…it was an anecdote. 🤦🏼♂️
very obviously yes. Twice as many bullet points as a human would put in a summary, passive voice, and “the author xxx” are all telltale signs
The author hopes for a future version of Windows that offers more user control and less interference from Microsoft’s software-as-a-service products.
Currently there is zero incentive for Microsoft to do this, and only upside potential to keep doing what they’re doing.
You’d need thousands of companies to abandon their dependency on Windows, Office, and the entire Microsoft ecosystem for them to change course now.
I just got a new laptop and was genuinely gonna try windows 11 and wsl for my coding needs. But in first boot, it demands internet to do updates. Ok, I connect to coffee shop wifi. Nope, won’t do it because it can’t handle the click through screen to accept wifi ToS. Fine. I take it home, where my Internet is great but has a glitch where it drops out for a few seconds now and then. Turns out that windows will literally cancel updating and demand I reconnect and restart for the kind of drop that I barely notice day to day. So I gave up, plugged in my ArchLinux thumb drive, and
mkfs.ext4before rsyncing my entire old computer to itYou sound like a Linux veteran.
PERFECT!
Microsoft is constantly experimenting with how far they can push users into a corner and get away with it. There might be a day when Microsoft caves and releases a Windows that is more like what we wanted, but I imagine it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better. We have not yet seen the worst MS has to
offerforce upon us.There might be a day when Microsoft caves and releases a Windows that is more like what we wanted, but I imagine it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets any better.
I thought that was going to be with Windows 10’s forced updates and telemetry, but people just stopped caring. I’m pretty much assuming that’ll be the same for the current batch of nonsense. I can’t imagine how bad it would have to get for the general public to say “enough is enough”.
Every bullshit move just creates more Linux users.
Best marketing Linux ever got lol
It WOULD if someone could create something that’s essentially Android on PC.
Pop_OS! and Mint feel very similar to this with their application centers. I feel as though this need could be considered met.
Though I run arch and if you dont like the CLI you’re gonna hate it. It just depends on the distro you choose.
Work in progress, it will get there one day.
But it is good enough for most PC gamers which is attracting a lot of development that makes Linux more friendly.
OOOOOHHHH!!! Is this able to be run on Raspberry pi 4??? 4GB model? I would LOVE to try this out for a weekend on one of my spare memory cards.
Linux will run on it. But you need a gaming rig to game tho lol
But what about ReactOS that you linked. Will it run on Raspberry Pi 4?
Not sure what you’re asking. Linux is able to run on a Pi 4 just fine. If you want to play games, you’ll need to emulate x86 using either Box64 or FEX, but there will be performance issues.
Just look at how bad the car industry is now. Your car spies on EVERYTHING.
Windows can still get a lot worse before we begin to see an improvement.
That’s fine. I’ll just stick with Windows 7 for the next 30 years.
Acceptance is the last stage of grief. You are ready to move on.
It’s like when people in abusive relationships suddenly realize that their partner doesn’t actually care about them, and everyone around them is like “Yeah, no shit. Fucking leave their ass.”
I switched all of my Windows systems over to Windows 10 LTSC a few months ago, and it’s been a game-changer. I still get security updates, but no advertisements, bloat, or new “features.” I believe it’s supported until 2032.
After that, I’ll probably switch my remaining systems over to Linux, but until then, it’s not half bad.
I ran ltsc for a few months… Then I found it didn’t have simple stuff like the camera app? I forget why, but there was one all I really needed that I didn’t have, so after fighting trying to install it, I just want back to Windows pro. I might give windows enterprise a try though.
I’m thinking about doing it too but with w11
I haven’t tried W11 LTSC. Even if you cut out the bloat, I just can’t stand the interface. Hopefully 12 is better, but I’m not hopeful.
The interface is fine. The inconsistency of it is awful. Makes me wonder how the most popular os in the world, can that be bad and useless.
You got it the wrong way round. It’s awful because it is the most popular os. If you look back at Windows XP or 7, they were clean, consistent and a pleasure to use. Everybody had XP, then 7 and by then it was too late and everybody was used to it and Microsoft can do whatever they want now and people will just take it because they’ve always used Windows. No need to put in effort.
“popular” as it “it came on every computer every Luddite got from Best Buy and contracted to every business”
Honestly, it Linux was as easy as Windows and played every steam game without any effort, windows would drown a slow death.
People that lived through getting kicked off XP are like “w11 interface is fine. I’ve been through worse”
it’s pre-installed on everything by default. that’s the only reason it’s “”“popular”“”
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That’s because you’re the victim of a crime: extortion
I have nothing critical on it, and I will make my 8.1 last as long as the disks and fans still spin!
I wonder how many years until all mainstream websites and web based apps like steam refuse to work because you’re os isn’t supported by the latest browser version.
It never was yours
It started when they changed My Computer to This Computer.
It isn’t your computer, user license clearly states you’re renting the software. You always have been, it’s just now they can enforce that agreement more readily. Microsoft is making a lot of bad decisions at the moment, but the majority of consumers really don’t care - adverts and surveillance are what they grew up with.
You can switch to Linux, but as much as I love it (it’s my daily driver for work and for travel gaming, oh and the community is absolutely amazing), it’s not 1-1. You will have to jump through hoops sometimes to get things to run (but damn me there are amazing people out there who can and do help). Then again, you own it because it is free, and it will run most things with the right tweaks.
I can’t speak for MACs (too poor to use one, my devices tend to be upgradable or VERY long life), but I hear they’re a better experience in terms of less bloat/adverts. Again though, you are renting with Apple, and are largely trapped in their ecosystem, and they have a ‘reputation’ for lack of repairability…
Like, I’d understand a free version of Windows that has the ads and bloat, but the idea that people are paying $100 for this disrespect is insane.
How intuitive
It’s so weird to me that Lemmy is full of anti-Windows, anti-Google posts but the comments are always “I’m thinking about switching.”
How about… just do it?
I don’t know what I’m trying to say but being 20 years into “Windows-free” a few years of “Google-free” it’s tiring. I know everyone isn’t me but it’s tough watching this from the other side.
I’m using Linux on servers and for self hosting, but Linux on a desktop is a sick joke.
Linux on desktop is amazing. My experience has been absolutely flawless.
Except for (raytraced) games, for your Logitech keyboard, your Razer headset, your Xbox Controller not connecting, your Windows-only Software that won’t work.
It’s terrible. You probably just found a way to live with it and get used to.
Ray tracing works on Linux just fine. I don’t know what your talking about. I have software to control the lights on my Asus laptop keyboard if needed, my other keyboard is not addressable RGB anyway. I’ve seen Linux work with controllers too. Maybe not Xbox specifically, though I think there is a way to do that too.
Edit: Logitech keyboards have support: https://pwr-solaar.github.io/Solaar/
There are projects for supporting the Xbox controllers too: https://github.com/medusalix/xone
As I said in another post
I’m very well aware that all of these problems can be fixed. But you need to put extra work in. There is no benefit for doing that.
But you need to put extra work in
Uh, no? You just install one application to configure your Logitech peripherals. Just like you would install an application on Windows. It takes like 15 seconds to google “logitech keyboard linux” and the second result you get is Solaar.
For Xbox controllers, it’s just one package that you need to install.
This is one of the few rare cases, where the Linux kernel doesn’t include a driver, and you manually need to install it. It’s the exact opposite on Windows. You basically need to install all your drivers manually, since Linux is mostly a monolithic kernel, and Windows is not. I can name enough cases where you need to install extra drivers on Windows, in order to get basic functionality. For example if you want to connect your Android phone, every manufacturer has their own drivers that you need to manually install on Windows. On Linux, these are built in.There is no benefit for doing that.
There are many benefits. Linux is free, doesn’t force you to create an account, doesn’t show you ads, doesn’t collect and sell your personal data, doesn’t try to force you to use a specific browser, has lower resource usage and better performance, especially on older devices, doesn’t have stupid and arbitrary hardware requirements, has better security, most of the applications are free and open source, you can customize your OS to suit your needs and there’s a great community. And most importantly, you have full control over your computer.
Since fixing these things are so easy, why don’t we continue with fixing my 5.1 Surround speaker that are plugged in with basic 3.5mm plugs and don’t work at all? And my GSync monitor that isn’t doing its GSync stuff. And my games having subpar performance. How about my Mincraft Modrinth Mod launcher that has like 10 fps just in the menu. Then let’s also fix all the DRM issues with Netflix and Prime.
I’ve been using Linux in Dual boot for decades for development purposes. But only for this. Because the list of problems is extremely long. I know I can fix all of that somehow but I’m just not going to do that. When I have a problem, I’ll just boot over to Windows where I usually don’t have it or it’s easier to fix.
Ray tracing works fine, I don’t know what you mean?
I don’t have a Logitech keyboard, but I find it hard to believe something as simple as a keyboard doesn’t work. I have a Logitech mouse and that’s completely fine.
My Xbox controller connects just fine with no special behaviour required.
Windows only software mostly works flawlessly. Almost all of my games are “windows only”, and they all work fine. Which is astonishing, really. How many other OSes virtually flawlessly run software from other OSes without any tinkering?
It’s amazing. Everything just works. Plug and play. No headaches like with Windows.
- Well Raytracing doesn’t work in Cyberpunk 2077. Besides that, some other games also have terrible performance. Even Minecraft, that’s running natively. Constant stutters with low GPU utilization.
- Logitech keyboard works but I cannot configure it because the software is not supported on Linux
- Xbox controller does not connect with the dongle unless I install the xone drivers
- I can think of a dozent more software other than the Logitech one that don’t have an installation for Linux
Sure you can fix any of these problems above like running Windows software with Wine or installing the appropriet drivers. But I don’t want to do that if I can just use Windows with no extra work.
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Ray tracing works in everything I’ve tried it in. I don’t have Cyberpunk but a quick Google tells me that it does have ray tracing and it does work in Linux.
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So the keyboard does work, you just insist on using one specific piece of software to make the keys pretty and refuse to use any others? Does it have a MacOS/iPadOS/Android version? I suspect not. Sounds like a shit product tbh, but it clearly works, unlike what you said earlier.
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Again, Xbox controller works fine. Wired, with the dongle, Bluetooth. All work great, no additional steps, completely plug and play.
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I can name a bunch of software that doesn’t support Windows, Mac, iOS, Android. I don’t see how this is an OS problem. Linux has wider software support than anything else.
You know you have to install drivers in Windows, right? And that it’s more cumbersome? With Linux in 99% of cases it’s in the kernel and you don’t need to install anything. Sometimes you’ll need to do something like type “Nvidia” into your software centre and click install.
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- Well Raytracing doesn’t work in Cyberpunk 2077. Besides that, some other games also have terrible performance. Even Minecraft, that’s running natively. Constant stutters with low GPU utilization.
I suspect you have GPU driver issues. What distro and graphics card are you running? Have you installed GPU drivers if your on Nvidia.
- Logitech keyboard works but I cannot configure it because the software is not supported on Linux
You just install solaar instead of the official software, one and done. Have you even tried?
- Xbox controller does not connect with the dongle unless I install the xone drivers
So install it then.
Sure you can fix any of these problems above like running Windows software with Wine or installing the appropriet drivers. But I don’t want to do that if I can just use Windows with no extra work.
None of this is extra work compared to working around Microsoft and Windows trying to push their garbage. Two Windows 11 systems breaking is what led to me switching back to Linux for the last time. Having to reinstall because of Windows issues is a lot more effort than installing a couple things.
I gave Linux a try 2 or 3 times back when I was in school. It was a horrible user experience and games wouldn’t work back then.
Now that games on Linux are a thing, I would love to give it a try once more. But now I have a full-time office job and a family. When I’m off work, I just want to fire up the PC and have everything work, which it does with windows. I also have the Pro version of Windows 11 and don’t experience all of the ad horror that everyone here is talking about.
If I gain back the free time and mental capacity, I’ll give it a try.
It’s not like it’s difficult to switch these days. Try something like Bazzite or Nobara and gaming should work out of the box.
Keep in mind it’s still a drastic reduction in security by default.
What are you talking about? Windows isn’t very secure to begin with. Bazzite in particular is one of the more secure Linux desktop distros as it’s immutable and comes with SELinux enabled by default. It’s secure enough to actually cause me problems lol.
It’s a real challenge to get a fully encrypted system with secure boot (easier now but still hit or miss with Linux) and tpm.
What you’re describing is the user level security model which is as you said restrictive enough to be annoying, and more controlled than windows.
Edit: undid autocorrect from user level to user never 🙄
I don’t use or particularly believe in secure boot.
I have a fully encrypted root partition, with automatic unlocking using the TPM. Wasn’t even that hard to setup either. Bazzite makes it fairly easy to enroll a secure boot key if you really want that, as do some other distros. Nothing you are describing is that difficult.
A lot of systems use AppArmour instead of SELinux, as this is easier to work with while still providing enhanced security.
It’s not hard to set up if you already have sufficient baseline technical knowledge to feel comfortable copy-pasting the right commands from the Internet with hope that you don’t brick your computer (which ironically fedora or opensuse kinda did although I eventually found out how to work around the failure which makes my laptop permanently unable to use an older version of Linux lololol).
Arch was really easy to set up, I followed tutorials for fedora from fedora which never worked, and opensuse worked until a power outage then never again. So easy. So simple.
Secureboot with shim is the easiest, the arch (/standalone) way seems to work better and more securely since it’s my own keys, but again depends on feeling a lot of unearned confidence. Some distros like Ubuntu and suse include mechanisms for secureboot, others do not, hence hit or miss.
Tldr I know what you’re telling me, and from my pov and experience none of that changes what I said for the average “go on, try Linux, you’ll like it” user.
Getting rid of Google would require switching phone for me as there isn’t a google free ROM for the Redmi K50 Pro.
GrapheneOS for the Google Pixel. I’m using a Google Pixel 4 which was like $120 and super easy to flash. I’m from the US, so I understand if things might be different where you are.
That would be a hilariously bad downgrade. I could probably afford to replace mine with a Google Pixel 6, but that would still be a significant downgrade (90Hz screen). After having two phones at 120Hz, I won’t go lower.
25% reduction in refresh rate to only 4x the historical standard that most humans alive grew up with balanced against any semblance of privacy seems like an easy win…
It’s not just that though is it? It’s a slower SoC, less RAM, possibly less storage, lower screen resolution, and I would be spending money to get it after just upgrading my phone a few months ago. So a downgrade in every other category while paying for it. On top of that losing banking apps and breaking the warranty. In what world does that make sense?
It’s something I could consider when looking for a new phone, but not right now. The fact you have to buy a new phone just to get a different ROM is absurd. In the PC world you can just install any different OS you pretty much fancy, with relatively few hardware issues in the way (such as Nvidia).
I don’t know what you’re responding to, I’m responding to a comment about refresh rate.
Maybe follow the conversation. I was comparing my current phone to the Pixel 6
