• Belastend@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    things wont improve for women in Afghanistan, as long as the Taliban are in power. I hope thats clear.

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        3 months ago

        A generarion or two. If you invade; you better be prepared to build the state as well.

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          3 months ago

          I don’t even know where to begin with the levels of idiocy contained in your remark.

          Like, do I start with the realities of how Western PMC mineral extraction fed into the cycle of extremism and poverty, the problems inherent with trying to use foreign military occupation to create a functioning centralized state out of a tribal society who’s only a nation because colonial powers drew lines on maps, or just the raw racism of believing that the white saviors should invade and occupy poor brown countries because we have to show those savages how to be better people.

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            3 months ago

            Let’s start with how it’s racist to stop religious fundamentalists from abusing women. This should be fun.

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              3 months ago

              Just a wild guess here, but I take it that you never got very good marks for reading comprehension. But whatever, I’ll answer your bad faith question:

              The racism is ignoring all of the ways in which colonial powers have fucked, refucked, and then triple fucked, the collection of tribal regions known as Afghanistan, which only exists as a nation state because of colonial powers drawing politically convenient lines on maps.

              All while pretending that religion, and not the colonial conflict legacy is the root cause of these problems. Because admitting that colonialism is why we’re here, isn’t a very good narrative for selling the next war.

              So great, now it’s the white Savior’s moral obligation to fix the problems that these brown people created all on their own, and definitely did not happen as a result of over a century of colonial violence , resource exploitation, and constant warfare.

              And not for nothing, but you also clearly don’t have a clue about the crimes against humanity level shit that happened during the occupation.

              So stop and think, why all this coverage now, and not for the last decade of occupation?

              Manufacturing consent for the next foreign war.

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        3 months ago

        Probably more than a few generations. The U.S. failed to deal with the Islamic religion other than giving education to females. The entire culture of the area would need to be changed, and that means mitigate aspects of a radical religion. The U.S. was probably unwilling to do that due to its freedom of religion philosophy.

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        3 months ago

        Years of competent and cooperative occupation? 5? Thats how long it took in Germany. Probably a bad example, but it is possible. And the occupational force reaaaaally has to work to combat the reasons for this. Under the US Occupation women had a lot more rights and presence in society. The PMCs and scumbags that led this regime however did nothing else to attract loyalty from the afghan soldiers.

        Years of extractive Nationbuilding? fuck if i know.

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          Years of competent and cooperative occupation? 5? Thats how long it took in Germany.

          I’m having flashbacks to Iraq, or rather talking to Americans about the thing when they were all gung-ho about it. “It’s going to be just like Germany!” is what you always say, completely ignoring that Germany had a democratic tradition, proper civil society, well-educated population able to re-industrialise in a couple of years, Universities that pre-date Columbus, and in many ways created those very values you claim you instilled. Do I have to remind you of the US’s domestic Apartheid policies at that point in time gods fucking thanks you didn’t instil shit.

          Also the occupation of Germany lasted 45 years (1945-1990) but that’s a technicality.