• flamingos-cant@feddit.ukEnglish
      6·
      3 months ago

      Why do they go through the effort of banning people from individual communities when site banning should be enough? It honestly just comes across as vindictive.

  • matcha_addict@lemy.lolEnglish
    5·
    4 months ago

    This is very disappointing. I’m glad lemmy is federated and open source, so that I don’t have to endorse or support every single view of the creator to use it.

    Nutomic’s view is very misguided. The section of the bourgeouisie that expresses support for trans people often do so out of opportunism (though some probably genuinely support it They’re human after all). The fact that transphobia is still rampant should be proof of the lack of an “agenda”. And what is this agenda about anyways? Acceptance? Or are people really still thinking that there’s a push to turn cis people trans the same way we have done the reverse since forever?

  • I'm back on my BS 🤪@lemmy.autism.placeEnglish
    73·
    4 months ago

    Honest question: Why does it matter if he’s a transphobe when choosing which Fediverse software to use? The software is FOSS and anyone can make their own instance. I don’t understand why his social views outside of sharing the software and protecting it from becoming proprietary matters when deciding what Fediverse software to use.

    I’m not arguing my stance. I really want to understand what I might be missing.

    • Cyberflunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      4 months ago

      When people are successful, sometimes their ideas are too. They become a sort of standard, or justified. While I speak only for myself, I think some folks feel like if this guy’s projects are successful he could use that success to oppres people. It happened to fluffy JK Rowling.

        • Cyberflunk@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          4 months ago

          JK uses her platform (harry potter fame) to denigrate and oppress trans women (probably more). She regularly engages anti trans exchanges on public twitter. Considering the reach HP has for children, it could give her considerable chance to promote bigotry. Look up TERF.

    • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
      71·
      3 months ago

      Honest question: Why does it matter if he’s a transphobe when choosing which Fediverse software to use?

      1. Because some people have actually financially supported him. I’m not trans, but I would be devastated to know that my money went to feed someone who wants to destroy me.
      2. I already have trouble convincing transgender people in my social circle that Lemmy as a software is safe for them to use even with the variety of trans-inclusive servers like yours, and will be safe and inclusive in the future.

      A great example of (2) is the fate of PolyMC. Thankfully, the other developers forked it into Prism, but transphobia put that whole project in jeopardy for a bit.

      The software is FOSS and anyone can make their own instance.

      IMO that’s why I’m not immediately dropping my account and running for the hills, but it’s still not good. Most people don’t have the technical skills or the interest in learning them to run their own instance.

      I really want to understand what I might be missing.

      IMO it’s that even though he does not personally control how Lemmy instances are run, and even though we do have a good degree of robustness to transphobia because the software is FOSS, it is still both morally and technically ill-advised to have a transphobe at the helm of an open-source software project.

    • goat@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      2·
      4 months ago

      Because he’s the developer. He can easily change a line of code to exploit users and servers across the fediverse. Sure, some may notice immediately, but others won’t.

      • Adanisi@lemmy.zipEnglish
        41·
        3 months ago

        Because he’s the developer. He can easily change a line of code to exploit users and servers across the fediverse.

        This can be done by anyone, and applies to any platform. It’s not a problem unique to Lemmy.

        I also don’t see how transphobia and backdooring everyone are at all related.

        • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
          1·
          4 months ago

          Right. Exactly. That’s why who develops things matters. Conduct at a project level dictates what comes of the things developed. The fact that this platform is developed by transphobes is a big FUCKING deal and is why I have hope for PieFed and Sublinks because they have actual factual solidarity and decency as core values.

          • Adanisi@lemmy.zipEnglish
            41·
            4 months ago

            The fact that this platform is developed by transphobes is a big FUCKING deal

            Not really. Usually the issue is the platform devs also control the instances/servers but that isn’t the case here.

            The code isn’t transphobic. The code is code. We shouldn’t reject perfectly good code because we don’t like who wrote it. That’s just giving the software solely to the people who do to the detriment of everyone else.

  • southsamurai@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    3·
    4 months ago

    The only thing that surprises me is that anyone is surprised.

    I don’t intend that to be snarky, more jokey. But, yeah, it’s pretty much common knowledge. Not the first time they’ve expressed unpleasant opinions on the subject, though not quite this bluntly. There was a minor kerfluffle over it not too long after the reddit exodus.

    And it isn’t unexpected tbh, that’s a pretty bog standard tankie take, if perhaps a tad more trope filled.

    To me, lemmy is kinda like a less important version of the Apollo missions. You put up with someone unpleasant because they can get the job done, until things get to the point it can be done without them. German scientists, tankie devs. Yeah, yeah, von Braun wasn’t a “real” nazi; whatever.

    At some point, either lemmy gets enough movement to get a less extreme team on board, it gets forked, or something else comes along.

      • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        2·
        4 months ago

        How is Sublinks development going? Are they getting close to Lemmy as far as features go? Any stable instances yet?

        I’m aware of the project, but haven’t been following it closely the past few months.

  • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
    53·
    3 months ago

    The developer is expressing their opinion on their instance using their software. The beauty of federation and the software he has crrated is that you can build a community that you want.you never have to interact with or his instance.

    This post is drama for the sake of drama.

    • XNX@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
      161·
      3 months ago

      He receives thousands of dollars in donations to make the software. I’d rathe people start supporting software developers made by non bigots

      • Fizz@lemmy.nzEnglish
        54·
        3 months ago

        It’s a weird place to draw the line. You probably use all kinds of products with scumbag companies and owners yet you draw the line at a guy’s Foss project which has nothing to do with his views and the project barely makes min wage yet serves tens of thousands of people.

        You don’t need to withdraw your support because you already do nothing to support. Again I think you are creating drama for the sake of drama. The guy is an open Communist and you are shocked that he’s transphobic.

  • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
    2·
    4 months ago

    I know that I shouldn’t, but…

    Off-topic: why Nutomic's comment is idiotic

    It’s a big false dichotomy.

    As a class, the bourgeoisie only cares about staying in power. Everything else from its PoV is fluff, to be situationally used or opposed.

    And that applies to the trans cause. The bourgeoisie is weakly opposed to trans rights because they get in the way of reproductive labour (trans people are less likely to have children, so they aren’t pumping out as many new proletariats as cis people do). However that opposition is not strong enough to make the bourgeoisie ignore pink money, since pink money is still money and money is still power under capitalism.

    It’s also worth noting that the bourgeoisie doesn’t just compete for power with the other two classes (proletariat and petit-bourgeoisie) - it also competes internally. And for that, different factions within the class will seek external support from different groups, and align their discourses to those.

    In that situation, what do you expect to see? The bourgeoisie flinging back and forth between lip service towards LGBTQ+ people+communities, and a transphobic discourse. Rainbow-wash something today (it’s a cheap and effective marketing tactic!), go transphobic tomorrow; business A plops up a trans flag, business B tears it down. Flush, repeat.

    And, well, it’s exactly what you see here.

    I also encourage specifically Trotskyists to read this text, as it explains way better than I could how the transgender agenda and class struggle are not orthogonal in nature. (Stalinists: be warned that Sybil Davis rambles quite a bit against Stalinism.)

    And… on a moral level, let’s be frank - you need to be inconsistent like a puddle of jelly, to be a communist but not defend trans rights. At the end of the day, what a good communist should defend is freedom of oppression; and what are those LGBTQ+ activists saying, if not “we don’t want to be oppressed based on gender, sex and sexuality”? It’s all about human rights dammit.


    On-topic: I think that the “forums side of the Fediverse” (nowadays mostly Lemmy and Kbin/Mbin) would benefit immensely from additional platforms; that’s why I’m excited for projects like PieFed and SubLinks. I am grateful for the Lemmy software but I can’t help but see the people in charge of the project as a liability.

    And they would still be a liability even if they had any skill building a healthy community (they don’t, they suck at it). Relying on a single platform is like putting all your eggs within the same basket, once that basket goes down everything breaks.

    • j4k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      This is the best stated argument I’ve seen by far for alts for Lemmy. Still, I don’t see anything wrong with the statements made being neutral. Not everyone is going to be an ally, but that does not make them an enemy. This post smells like someone trying very poorly thought out psyops instead of simply making their own thing. Lemmy is written in the benchmark of coding languages. The alts appear to target the least secure convenient high level languages. Based on what I’ve seen, I would be quite hesitant to run my own instance on one versus the other. I’ve seen a ton of whining here and there, but I haven’t seen anyone that has an answer to why they have not submitted pull requests for Lemmy. I find that most concerning. There appears to be a desire to steal Lemmy. I find that deeply disturbing. I left for awhile once before because of similar nonsense. If some one can do better, great, go prove it on your own. If your confidence in your abilities does not exceed envy of what already exists, I already feel completely uninterested in the alternative. There is a lot of nonsense about politics that ultimately have nothing to do with the platform. It feels like deeply destabilizing drama that makes this place toxic.

      There is still thinly plausible deniability about the psyops nature of this post, but it is too strong of a pattern for me to ignore as chance. The original message chain was not posted. One side of a conversation proves nothing whatsoever and making conclusions about intent without full context is a fool’s folly. The consistent jump to Lemmy alts in comments shows a decided intent and bias.

      • Lvxferre@mander.xyzEnglish
        4·
        4 months ago

        For context, here’s the original message chain. The discourse conveyed there isn’t just neutral, it’s dismissive - in that chain Nutomic does play down the trans issues and needs.

        While we could argue that the original user is jumping at the gun to some extent (and falling into the same idiotic false dichotomy as Nutomic himself), it’s hard to claim that she’s psy ops, after a quick glance of her profile. She simply sounds vocal about the issues that she cares about. I think that it’s the same deal with the OP of this thread, it doesn’t look like psy ops for me.

        I ain’t no programmer, so take what I say with a grain of salt: while performance is important I don’t think that it’s the whole deal. One of the benefits of Python is that a lot of people know it, can read its code for issues, and can contribute with the project. (This is not a dichotomy, though - I think that an alternative coded mostly in Python, with Rust on critical parts [to address performance and security] would be the best of all worlds.)

        But even another codebase in Rust would do great in my book. Besides the whole deal of relying too much onto a a single basket, every new alternative would bring on new ideas, and try to tackle the same problems in different ways. Kbin for example tried to mix microblogging in. And oddly enough it would be a great way to shut up all those “waah devz r commiez!” complains (“ah, you don’t use software made for commies? Use [alternative] then.”), while still allowing them to reap the benefits through federation and open source.

  • jwr1@kbin.earth
    2·
    4 months ago

    I’ve said before that I could add piefed support to Interstellar (it already had Lemmy and mbin support). The only thing I need is an api.

  • Elevator7009@kbin.run
    1·
    4 months ago

    Happy with my current instance, but the urge to try out PieFed grows… would probably mean abandoning Mbin though and Mbin is already so tiny compared to Lemmy…

    • Blaze (he/him)@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      Aren’t the communities more important than the platform, as you can access the communities whatever platform you use?

  • Oliver Lowe@hachyderm.io
    1·
    4 months ago

    @xnx PieFed won’t have an app any time soon due to the way it’s implemented. It’s still awesome without a native app because it’s fast and doesn’t really need direct access to hardware to do its thing.

    Tech detail: PieFed is a Python app using Flask and server-side rendered HTML templates. It is super fast as there’s no heavy Javascript framework being used. The maintainer has written about how PieFed is developed with poor internet connections in mind: https://piefed.social/post/6102

    @fediverse

      • Oliver Lowe@hachyderm.io
        4·
        3 months ago

        @skullgiver Good Q. Some thoughts… a standard Python, Flask, PostgreSQL app can handle hundreds of requests per second on a single machine. Any bottlenecks - Lemmy or PieFed - would probably not be at the language yet. For example, Lemmy’s poor performance when I looked ~1 year ago came from a bizarre disregard for things like relational DB query optimisation, HTTP caching, and how the stock frontend lemmy-ui fetched data. Yet Lemmy is written in Rust which is known for speed.

        @fediverse

    • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      PieFed won’t have an app any time soon due to the way it’s implemented.

      Why is that? They seem pretty similar on the surface, so I’m curious differences exist under the hood which would preclude app development.

      • hendrik@palaver.p3x.deEnglish
        1·
        4 months ago

        There isn’t anything stopping this. It’s just that no one is working on an app. And there isn’t any API implemented (yet) for an app to hook in to and fetch posts and comments. Both could be programmed. Someone could also copy the Lemmy API and use arbitrary Lemmy apps with Piefed. I think the developer is open to any of that and I’m pretty sure I read some feature request. It’s just that the focus currently is on other things. And Piefed works well as an progressive web app. You can open it in your browser and click “Add to home screen” and you’ll get an icon and a browser window that pretty much feels like an app. I’m using that and also don’t see any benefit in putting in the effort to maintain an app, when it works well as is.

        • threelonmusketeers@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          1·
          4 months ago

          Both could be programmed. Someone could also copy the Lemmy API and use arbitrary Lemmy apps with Piefed.

          This seems like an interesting idea. On one hand, I could see how it could hamper development, but on the other hand, it would be nice if all of the threadiverse platforms (Lemmy, Piefed, Sublinks, Mbin?) were standardized enough that the apps could be interoperable. I think giving users multiple options for how to access and interact with the content would be good for the fediverse as a whole.

          • Oliver Lowe@hachyderm.io
            2·
            3 months ago

            @threelonmusketeers @hendrik This is how many Fediverse microblogging systems currently work; they serve the Mastodon API for client to server (e.g. app to server) interactions. GoToSocial doesn’t even provide any user interface; you use it from some app originally designed for Mastodon. Why? I think because Mastodon’s HTTP API is simpler, better documented and well-tested compared to something like ActivityPub’s Client-To-Server API.

            @fediverse

  • Achyu@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
    1·
    4 months ago

    The bourgeoisie would only care about profits and maintaining their power, right? They’d be both pro-lgbtqia+ and anti-lgbtqia+ if it gets them profit and/or pushes attention away from their misuse of power.
    Like selling Che Geuvara T-shirts, while running propaganda against him.

    Or are they seeing transphobia as mainly a reaction of religion/conservativeness? Even then a part of the bourgeoisie would try to profit off them, right?

    Or did they respond as such because they saw the bait-y bourgeoisie remark(there are screenshots of the convo in the comments there)?

    Would be good to see their response other than a screenshot of one reply in their private message convo.

    • The Quuuuuill@slrpnk.netEnglish
      01·
      4 months ago

      Okay. I’ll remember you’re a transphobe for later.

      You know trans people as oppressed people are allies against our oppressors, right? Not granting them personhood benefits the bourgeoisie

      • j4k3@lemmy.worldEnglish
        0·
        4 months ago

        You’re not contextualizing reasonably here. The bourgeoisie in his context meaning, the capitalist class. It is just a comment about how it has tilted to fashionable to support LGBT. That is a reasonable statement. Participation in events is a controversial subject for many. Personally I believe gendered sports should be entirely eliminated in favor of singular combined competition of humans, but I’m a giant dude that loves cycling, where a little woman could have a real advantage over someone like me. I find sports that lack such diverse nuance somewhat outdated.

        Many might not see the two party system of the USA as what it presents itself as internally. It is not hard to say, this is a one party system that wears two masks and be entirely uninterested in which clown color mask faces forward at the moment.

        I see indifference. I see neutrality. I don’t see two sides of a conversation with transparency that qualifies the accusation friend. Feel free to post with transparency though.

  • spiderman@ani.socialEnglish
    0·
    4 months ago

    what if they are turned out to be like this or hate other set of people? lemmy by design is defederated so even if the devs are like this, you can just simply call out them or leave their lemmy server lol. i am sure there are trans friendly lemmy servers out here.

    as long as lemmy by design is against any sorta people, you dont have to boycott it.

    • XNX@slrpnk.netOPEnglish
      1·
      4 months ago

      Yeah lets ignore the lead dev’s opinions on stuff its not like they have power over the project and a big number of users on their server.

      Its ironic you say this from the ani.social instance which was previously defederated from ml because the lead devs thinks all anime is degenerate or something like that and it ruined the anime community since ani.social was still too small