- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmit.online
- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmit.online
The territorial violation by China is the latest in a series of events amplifying tensions between Beijing and Japan.
A Chinese military surveillance plane breached Japanese airspace off the country’s southwestern coast on Monday, marking what Japan’s defense ministry described as the first known incursion by China’s military into its territorial airspace.
According to a ministry official, a Chinese reconnaissance aircraft briefly entered Japanese territory near Nagasaki Prefecture around 11:30 a.m. on Monday. In response, Japan’s Self-Defense Force put fighter jets on high alert and issued a warning to the Chinese aircraft.
While Chinese planes frequently appear in international airspace around Japan, this incident represents the first confirmed entry of a military aircraft into Japan’s territorial airspace.
Reconnaissance aircraft are notoriously difficult to hit, due to their high altitude and high speed.
Firing a bunch of ordinance into the sky would just mean raining it back down on your own population.
I mean, maybe in the 80’s? The technological advancements of SAM have basically made speed and altitude mean next to nothing. Now most things depend on being hard to pick up on radar, or like the plane in the article, are just large planes filled with electronic warfare equipment.
This would have been over the Pacific…
Show me the American-made hypersonic air defense missile.
Hypersonic AD is the dumbest thing ever. The most important things in AD are maneuverability and accuracy, and going supersonic tremendously impedes both, unless “missing the incoming weapon as quickly as possible” is your main objective.
It’s called patriot. It’s shot down multiple Russian Kinzhals in Ukraine.
Sure it has.
Doubt all you want, but you don’t have to meet a hypersonic missile where it is, only where it will be. They aren’t very maneuverable at their maximum velocities which means it’s possible to shoot them down with a slower intercept missile provided the battery is in a favorable location to make an intercept in time.
Just fire the bullet to hit the other bullet, sure. Very easy and we do it successfully all the time.
Theoretically.
This kind of pro-Russian cope was much more justifiable 2 and a half years ago. Now that reality has unveiled the decrepit, incompetent reality that lies beneath the propaganda, it’s just sad. I hope this cheerleading is just a halfhearted effort on your part (or that you’re doing it for a few rubles per post), otherwise this is pathetic.
I mean, we’re saying this with a Boeing Starliner stranded at the ISS. But sure, America has a super-secret anti-hypersonic missile system that’s just like the Iron Dome (nobody ask how Hamas was piercing the Most Sophisticated Defense System in the world with a box full of scraps, btw) only 10x better.
This whole thread is nothing but cheerleading. You’re even fan-casting the existence of anti-missile systems the US admits it doesn’t have.
You can watch this happen all the time in practice with slower missiles with the iron dome. The math is the same.
Lolz. Lmao, even.
Tell me you don’t know what you’re talking about without telling me.
You don’t need to hit the bullet with a bullet. You just hit it with a shotgun blast or grenade, either destroying it outright or blowing it off course enough that it loses its energy and becomes ineffective. We literally do this all the time on tanks and humvees. It’s called a hardkill APS. The Russians had one working in the 70s. Modern ones are capable of detecting incoming tank rounds moving between 700-1700m/s, identifying which will hit the vehicle, and blowing them out of the air once they reach 10-15 meters away. All in a span of nanoseconds. It’s standard equipment on Israel’s MBT, and Germany, the US, and the UK have all field tested various systems and are considering making hardkill systems standard for the next generation of tanks and IFVs. Multiple companies across multiple countries make them for upgrade kits. Germany already produces vehicles with standard hardkill APS for their export market.
This isn’t crazy sci-fi technology. It’s just rocket science.
:-|
Incredible.
I mean there’s material evidence out there that pretty well proves it, and Russia has ceased to claim that they’re fake reports.
If the kinzhal missiles were actually “hypersonic missiles” that could maneuver at speed, then yeah they’d be hard to intercept. However, the kinzhal are actually just missiles with a ramjet, meaning they hold a fairly normal flight trajectory and can be targeted by systems like the patriot.
Shooting a bullet with another bullet is basically what all anti air systems do, the only thing that changes is the scaling in the math.
If I had a dollar for every time some hack talk radio announcer claimed “They’re not even denying it anymore, folks!”
The Iron Dome is regularly penetrated by bottle rockets and radio shack drones. This was supposed to be the top of the line in anti-air defense. But sure, Boeing is sitting on something that’s way better.
Lol, k. Then please offer any evidence that the evidence and reporting are fake?
It’s almost like air defense weapons all have a margin for error… Kinda like how we’ve regularly seen s300 and s400 systems get taken out by himars, a weapon platform from the 80’s.
Lol, not sure who you’re arguing with. I haven’t mentioned the iron dome or Boeing… Do you exclusively argue via a strawman ?
Lol, what does that have to do with reconnaissance airplanes?
My whole argument is that planes can no longer out run/maneuver surface to air missiles. What does that have to do with hypersonic missiles?
Patriot system. Already proven to fuck up hypersonic shit
This isn’t reconnaissance, it’s standard airspace incursion and intercept.
Everyone here seems to be a really hawkish as of late, or possibly just having a very poor understanding of international relations.
With exceptions for the United State’s top shelf stealth planes the Japanese are quite capable of shooting down anything flying in earths atmosphere. In the event that Japanese can’t do it the United States Aircraft Carrier Group assigned to Japan absolutely can.
Sure. Just put in a call to the Americans to do it for them.
Still not clear why anyone is shooting down Chinese cargo planes.
Japan has its own domestically developed Surface to Air missile system.
The Y-9 has several variants, some of which are ELINT and AWACS. I’d trust the Japanese to know which are which, they see them often enough on their radar screens.
That said, it would be monumentally stupid to expose an AWACS plane like that. Those things don’t grow on trees, even in China.