Telegram isn’t as encrypted as it pretends to be. It doesn’t need backdoors. They have the messages encrypted on the servers, but they also have the encryption keys.
There’s no need for a backdoor, they can just read every message by design*. That’s what gets them in hot water with governments so often, they can moderate their platform and kick out the terrorists and pedos, they just decide not to. When governments come up with a warrant for all information for an account, Telegram ghosts them or provides metadata, even though they can verifiably show every single message sent since the day the app launched*.
Signal’s safety lies in the encryption it uses. Telegram’s safety lies in the fact they don’t talk to law enforcement. Both techniques work, as long as you don’t live in a country that’ll arrest you for either.
* Technically speaking, you can create encrypted chats, you just can’t use those cross device and both users need to be online at the same time to initiate them and they don’t work for groups and you’d need to check each other’s keys through another channel to use them securely and nobody actually uses them in practice.
Telegram, it’s “encryption” or lack thereof, whatever, is hiding behind it’s owner. And he’s got a what, $5 million dollar bond or something? The platform is being made an example of. And his kneck is on the chopping block.
If you think he won’t fold, you’re insane. The logs (yes, logs) will be handed over. Keys to encryption will be. Whatever it takes to gain 100% full access, will be given.
To think they won’t is purposeful, blatent, fanboyism. And to turn the conversation into a Telegram and Signal comparison is just… ugh.
Signal ain’t on trial here. Telegram isn’t even in the same area code as Signal in terms of security. But you already know that. Telegram is not, was not and never will be a secure, privacy centered messaging program.
And because it allowed some of its users to treat it like it is one, with nefarious intent, is why it’s going to burn in flames. And tbh, it should. People treated like it’s secure. When it was anything but. Reap it.
He’s either blocking them in the name of “user privacy” fighting the “good fight” or he’s refusing them because he’ll very likely be implemented, lawfully on the charges they want access over.
My point is, Telegram is done. It’s a rat trap at this point and anyone associated with it getting their info scraped - purposely.
Telegram isn’t as encrypted as it pretends to be. It doesn’t need backdoors. They have the messages encrypted on the servers, but they also have the encryption keys.
There’s no need for a backdoor, they can just read every message by design*. That’s what gets them in hot water with governments so often, they can moderate their platform and kick out the terrorists and pedos, they just decide not to. When governments come up with a warrant for all information for an account, Telegram ghosts them or provides metadata, even though they can verifiably show every single message sent since the day the app launched*.
Signal’s safety lies in the encryption it uses. Telegram’s safety lies in the fact they don’t talk to law enforcement. Both techniques work, as long as you don’t live in a country that’ll arrest you for either.
* Technically speaking, you can create encrypted chats, you just can’t use those cross device and both users need to be online at the same time to initiate them and they don’t work for groups and you’d need to check each other’s keys through another channel to use them securely and nobody actually uses them in practice.
Telegram, it’s “encryption” or lack thereof, whatever, is hiding behind it’s owner. And he’s got a what, $5 million dollar bond or something? The platform is being made an example of. And his kneck is on the chopping block.
If you think he won’t fold, you’re insane. The logs (yes, logs) will be handed over. Keys to encryption will be. Whatever it takes to gain 100% full access, will be given.
To think they won’t is purposeful, blatent, fanboyism. And to turn the conversation into a Telegram and Signal comparison is just… ugh.
Signal ain’t on trial here. Telegram isn’t even in the same area code as Signal in terms of security. But you already know that. Telegram is not, was not and never will be a secure, privacy centered messaging program.
And because it allowed some of its users to treat it like it is one, with nefarious intent, is why it’s going to burn in flames. And tbh, it should. People treated like it’s secure. When it was anything but. Reap it.
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Well there it is.
He’s either blocking them in the name of “user privacy” fighting the “good fight” or he’s refusing them because he’ll very likely be implemented, lawfully on the charges they want access over.
My point is, Telegram is done. It’s a rat trap at this point and anyone associated with it getting their info scraped - purposely.
That’s a pretty heft user base, there. GL.
Great discussion, BTW, man. I appreciate the back and forth. You were far more cival than me in this on a few things that is not lost on me.
Cheers.