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  • Gork@lemm.ee
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    9 days ago

    Durov – who has citizenship in France as well as Russia, the United Arab Emirates, and the Caribbean archipelago of St. Kitts and Nevis

    How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

    Is it money? Gotta be money.

    • PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca
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      In Canada and New Zealand you can literally buy citizenship. You just need the funds. It’s a real and legitimate process.

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        I wonder if anyone rich enough has decided on undertaking the quest to get and hold as many citizenships as possible.

        There’d probably be difficulty though getting simultaneous citizenships for North Korea / South Korea citizenship, Russia / Ukraine, or Republic of China / People’s Republic of China.

        • Teils13@lemmy.eco.br
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          The most i could find on the web was this lawyers non-named client, who has 8 citizenships (“octa-citizen” has passports from Canada, UK, Ireland, Belize, Grenada, Dominica, St. Kitts, and Cape Verde), after renouncing his original USA one (and he apparently did it to not pay taxes).

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      Oh hell yeah it’s money. It’s called economic citizenship and there are plenty of countries out there that are willing to let you buy in with ownership of properties and business.

      There are only a handful of countries out there that don’t allow dual citizenship.

    • 0000011110110111i@lemm.ee
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      How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

      My kids are entitled to 5 citizenships. 2 from me and 3 from their mum.

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      I only use Telegram for my Warhammer 40k group…Authorities seizing that will get them years of mindless chatter about the Emperor, memes and battle reports. Fuck they will pay us to leave Telegram

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      How can someone have four simultaneous citizenships?

      Most countries let you have multiple citizenships. Unless a country restricts you from doing so, you can have as many as you want.

    • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      And if they had implented that to begin with and used servers that kept no logs he wouldn’t have had anything of value to hand over and they would have had to release him since he physically could not provide those things.

      He built the damn situation for himself, and the fact that such issues weren’t considered practically screams “honeypot.”

    • mox@lemmy.sdf.org
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      Just keep in mind that any service that asks for a phone number can also disclose it.

      I hope what leaves the Signal client is a hash of your phone number, rather than the number itself. They might even be using salts and expensive-to-execute key derivation functions, to mitigate brute force searches (which are otherwise easy given the relatively small search space of phone numbers). But if compelled, it would be trivial for Signal to change that behavior.

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      I also don’t trust Signal… And I won’t gonna switch a 4th time. I might as well switch to Matrix chat now.

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      Anyone who used Telegram as a private communications channel in the first place is an idiot.

      • melroy@kbin.melroy.org
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        Which is not a good thing… Even if you don’t agree with some of the current demonstrations… The moment you are in situation you also need to demonstrate against the state, you won’t be able to… By then, we are all doomed.

        • x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          I think humans have the potential to be kicked to the ground, again and again, to then rise up and overthrow their government in a day.

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            If we can trust history books, that happened. And will happen over and over again. Until humans are only pure energy or something haha.

  • Yuzuki@lemmy.kikuri.moe
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    People who signed up on Telegram were set up to fail right from the get go. It doesn’t feature default E2EE, it’s not private, it’s not secure… but there were plenty of users on there looking to buy whatever dark net goods and services you can offer. It’s completely stupid when there are much better alternatives out there, but people go wherever other people are, just moving as a herd instead of a lone wolf. With everything that has happened over the last years, including the arrest of the Tornado Cash and Samourai Wallet devs, it’s clear that it’s no longer possible to resist the government in any way out in the open anymore.

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        No!! I don’t go for signal. That is a centralized alternative. And I’m indeed trying to avoid to migrate again!

        Maybe Matrix… Or maybe Simplex sounds better…