“What Israeli forces are doing in besieged North Gaza cannot be allowed to continue,” the human rights official said.

Israel could kill everyone left in Northern Gaza if its assault on the enclave continues, a United Nations relief official warned on Saturday

“Hospitals have been hit, and health workers have been detained. Shelters have been emptied and burned down. First responders have been prevented from saving people from under the rubble. Families have been separated, and men and boys are being taken away by the truckload,”

Msuya estimated that Israel’s actions in the north had killed hundreds and displaced tens of thousands. According to Al Jazeera, an Israeli siege on the north that began earlier in October has killed around 640.

“The Biden-Harris administration must stop the flow of U.S. weapons to Israel which constitutes a necessary step to halting Israel’s ongoing war crimes,” IMEU wrote on social media Saturday. “It’s time for an arms embargo now.”

    • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
      17·
      20 days ago

      That defence holds about such water as a colander. There is so much evidence to the contrary that it boggles the mind. They have bombed hospitals, schools, bomb shelters, kettled the entire population into a tiny parcel of land in the southernmost tip of the country while they finish levelling the rest of Palestine, and stopped all aid, journalists, water, and food entering the country. And then to add insult to injury they bomb the safe zones.

      A country’s right to defend itself does not extend to this. This isn’t defence.

      Do they expect the civilians with blown off limbs in bombed-out hospitals to walk to these not-so-safe zones? How do they expect the entire population to survive in these cramped conditions with no access to critical food, water, and medicine heading into winter? (Hint: they don’t.)

      • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        412·
        20 days ago

        bomb shelters

        Can you provide a source for this?

        In all the other cases of schools, hospitals, safe zones: these were used by combatants for military purposes. These are warcrimes in itself and make attacking these now military objectives legal under international humanitarian law.

        That said. There are also war crimes committed by Israeli soldiers and careless destruction.

        Hint: they don’t.

        For many months we have heard claims of imminent death starvation of millions and that evacuation from Rafah would be impossible. These claims didn’t materialize.

        Yes, the humanitarian situation for Gazans is dire. Why are the refugees not allowed to flee the war zone like in every other war?

        Hamas and its ilk could stop this war at any time by releasing the hostages. As long as the hostages remain in captivity and rockets are fired at Israel, they have a good claim to continue the war. Hamas is ideologically convinced any number of dead Palestinians is acceptable, if Israel is damaged somewhat at least.

        • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
          122·
          20 days ago

          bomb shelters

          can you provide a source for this

          So…even if they didn’t, you’d be fine with the hospitals, schools, safe zones, etc? Just because of one fuckin flimsy ass excuse from Israel? And have you seen proof of every school, hospital, et al that’s been bombed being used by Hamas? Are you not asking for proof of that? But when the people are being fuckin slaughtered, you need proof that EVERY SINGLE FUCKIN safe haven had been leveled before you fuckin stand up for the people facing a goddamn genocide? Wheat the fuck is wrong with you

          But fine.

          https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-palestinian-civilians-safety-airstrikes-f38f27da1dd995acc14e6db1524761e7

          • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            49·
            20 days ago

            I have heard from attacks on schools, hospitals, and safe zones. These were all used by combatants and thus legal military objectives under international humanitarian law.

            I have never even heard of bomb shelters existing for civilians in Gaza.

            • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
              113·
              20 days ago

              …do you even hear yourself?

              These people don’t have bomb shelters. WHERE THEY WERE TOLD BY ISRAEL TO SHELTER, THEY WERE FUCKING SLAUGHTERED. THAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM YOU GODDAMN MONSTER

              • Doorbook@lemmy.worldEnglish
                41·
                20 days ago

                Don’t engage with troll. They are either bot, or have no plan to engage in any form of discussion instead utilities your time, to read news or maybe send letter or share the news with people around you. It is more productive to stop the genocide than talking to a bot or an idiot online.

              • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                47·
                20 days ago

                You only seem to have an emotional and not a factual understanding of the situation.

                If combatants use a safe zone for military purposes, the military objectives can be attacked legally. Safe zones are for civilians, not for combatants. Combatants abusing safe zones for military purposes like launching and storing missiles are the ones violating the safe zone first and thus legitimizing attacks.

                • TheFriar@lemm.eeEnglish
                  82·
                  20 days ago

                  Excuse me for getting emotional over a fucking genocide. I find it strange that you’re not emotional over a clear as day genocide happening with all the proof in the world in front of our very eyes. And how you’re defending genocide as just a necessary step because of some flimsy ass excuse I simply don’t understand. I’m a human, so I tend to, y’know, passionately dislike genocide. What makes you defend genocide, if you don’t mind my asking?

                  I wonder if people were dismissed during the holocaust for getting emotional about the slaughter of innocent people.

                  • Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.worldEnglish
                    3·
                    20 days ago

                    I wonder if people were dismissed during the holocaust for getting emotional about the slaughter of innocent people.

                    They were, people were twisting themselves in knots to deny the absolute horrors being conducted in the Holocaust and by Imperial Japan. People from the allied nations. There are people doing it to this day.

        • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
          41·
          20 days ago

          Can you provide a source for this?

          This attack was four days ago

          For many months we have heard claims of imminent death starvation of millions and that evacuation from Rafah would be impossible. These claims didn’t materialize.

          I mean, evacuation is impossible at this point isnt it? Where would they go? Back to the levelled north? Force their way into Egypt? The fact that they aren’t all dead yet doesn’t disprove that Israel’s intent is to cause it, they just haven’t finished yet.

            • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
              72·
              20 days ago

              Oh sorry, I misread the article. It turns out Israel bombed a school that was situated in a refugee camp. It was being used as a shelter, that’s much better.

              But I looked into it and apparently Gaza doesn’t have bomb shelters, so it would be hard for Israel to bomb them, I suppose. Too expensive to build while embargoed and not prioritised by their government, I will strike that from my comment.

              Why doesn’t Egypt open the border?

              There are many reasons why they are reluctant. Do you think Egypt has the facilities to house and feed 2.2 million refugees? Does any country?

              Why should Palestinians be forced to leave when Israel insist they will not allow them to return to their homeland?

              • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                48·
                20 days ago

                Hamas managed to build hundreds of kilometers of underground tunnels and bunkers to protect combatants and military infrastructure. Civilians just aren’t allowed in there. That’s where the priorities of Gaza‘s government lie. They don’t give a shit if civilians die, if they can continue the futile attempt to destroy Israel by force of arms. Militant resistance takes precedence over building decent lives. That’s the whole reason Gaza is so fucked.

                • CritFail@lemmy.worldEnglish
                  41·
                  20 days ago

                  Yeah, Hamas are bastards. They have not allowed elections and ruled dictatorially for a generation, and do not have a right to think they represent the people of Gaza. The innocent civillian Gazan population don’t deserve to suffer as a result. Hamas have done horrible things, not building necessary bomb shelters from an oppressive Israel is one of them. The lack of bomb shelters in Gaza does not mean you or anyone should condone bombing of a civilian population. They had the nerve to talk to NYT to say they were getting PTSD from running over too many unarmed Gazan civilians with a bulldozer. Actions like this make Netanyahu, and the complicit IDF and encourageable Israeli voting population bastards.

                  That this needs to be spelled out is depressing.

                  • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                    46·
                    20 days ago

                    Is there, in your opinion ever a situation where the death of civilians is an acceptable trade off to reach military objectives?

                    For example: a school’s roof is used as a launch pad for rockets and its basement serves as weapons storage.

        • Keeponstalin@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
          32·
          20 days ago

          Hamas only exists because of the Apartheid Occupation of Israel and the daily violence that has subjected Palestinians to for generations. Israel has always been the obstacle for peace, and has been the one preventing a ceasefire.

          De-development via the Gaza Occupation

          Between July 1971 and February 1972, Sharon enjoyed considerable success. During this time, the entire Strip (apart from the Rafah area) was sealed off by a ring of security fences 53 miles in length, with few entrypoints. Today, their effects live on: there are only three points of entry to Gaza—Erez, Nahal Oz, and Rafah.

          Perhaps the most dramatic and painful aspect of Sharon’s campaign was the widening of roads in the refugee camps to facilitate military access. Israel built nearly 200 miles of security roads and destroyed thousands of refugee dwellings as part of the widening process.’ In August 1971, for example, the Israeli army destroyed 7,729 rooms (approximately 2,000 houses) in three vola- tile camps, displacing 15,855 refugees: 7,217 from Jabalya, 4,836 from Shati, and 3,802 from Rafah.

          • Page 105

          Through 1993 Israel imposed a one-way system of tariffs and duties on the importation of goods through its borders; leaving Israel for Gaza, however, no tariffs or other regulations applied. Thus, for Israeli exports to Gaza, the Strip was treated as part of Israel; but for Gazan exports to Israel, the Strip was treated as a foreign entity subject to various “non-tariff barriers.” This placed Israel at a distinct advantage for trading and limited Gaza’s access to Israeli and foreign markets. Gazans had no recourse against such policies, being totally unable to protect themselves with tariffs or exchange rate controls. Thus, they had to pay more for highly protected Israeli products than they would if they had some control over their own economy. Such policies deprived the occupied territories of significant customs revenue, estimated at $118-$176 million in 1986.

          • page 240

          In a report released in May 2015, the World Bank revealed that as a result of Israel’s blockade and OPE, Gaza’s manufacturing sector shrank by as much as 60% over eight years while real per capita income is 31 percent lower than it was 20 years ago. The report also stated that the blockade alone is responsible for a 50% decrease in Gaza’s GDP since 2007. Furthermore, OPE (combined with the tunnel closure) exacerbated an already grave situation by reducing Gaza’s economy by an additional $460 million.

          • Page 402

          • The Gaza Strip: The Political Economy of De-Development - Third Edition by Sara M. Roy

          Blockade, including Aid

          Hamas began twenty years into the occupation during the first Intifada, with the goal of ending the occupation. Collective punishment has been a deliberate Israeli tactic for decades with the Dahiya doctrine. Violence such as suicide bombings and rockets escalated in response to Israeli enforcement of the occupation and apartheid.

          After the ‘disengagement’ in 2007, this turned into a full blockade; where Israel has had control over the airspace, borders, and sea. Under the guise of ‘dual-use’ Israel has restricted food, allocating a minimum supply leading to over half of Gaza being food insecure; construction materials, medical supplies, and other basic necessities have also been restricted.

          The blockade and Israel’s repeated military offensives have had a heavy toll on Gaza’s essential infrastructure and further debilitated its health system and economy, leaving the area in a state of perpetual humanitarian crisis. Indeed, Israel’s collective punishment of Gaza’s civilian population, the majority of whom are children, has created conditions inimical to human life due to shortages of housing, potable water and electricity, and lack of access to essential medicines and medical care, food, educational equipment and building materials.

          Peace Process and Solution

          Both Hamas and Fatah have agreed to a Two-State solution based on the 1967 borders for decades. Oslo and Camp David were used by Israel to continue settlements in the West Bank and maintain an Apartheid, while preventing any actual Two-State solution

          How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution

          ‘One state is a game changer’: A conversation with Ilan Pappe

          One State Solution, Foreign Affairs

          Hamas proposed a full prisoner swap as early as Oct 8th, and agreed to the US proposed UN Permanent Ceasefire Resolution. Additionally, Hamas has already agreed to no longer govern the Gaza Strip, as long as Palestinians receive liberation and a unified government can take place.

          Israel justifies nearly every attack on civilians with the lie of ‘human shields’

          Human Shields

          Hamas:

          Intentionally utilizing the presence of civilians or other protected persons to render certain areas immune from military attack is prohibited under international law. Amnesty International was not able to establish whether or not the fighters’ presence in the camps was intended to shield themselves from military attacks. However, under international humanitarian law, even if one party uses “human shields”, or is otherwise unlawfully endangering civilians, this does not absolve the opposing party from complying with its obligations to distinguish between military objectives and civilians or civilian objects, to refrain from carrying out indiscriminate or disproportionate attacks, and to take all feasible precautions to spare civilians and civilian objects.

          Israel:

          Additionally, there is extensive independent verification of Israel using Palestinians as Human Shields:

          Deliberate Attacks on Civilians

          Israel deliberately targets civilian areas. From in general with the Dahiya Doctrine to multiple systems deployed in Gaza to do so:

          Israel also targets Israeli Soldiers and Civilians to prevent them being leveraged as hostages, known as the Hannibal Directive. Which was also used on Oct 7th.

          • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            23·
            20 days ago

            Hamas gained popularity and notoriety during the Oslo peace process by suicide bombings and being fundamentally opposed to any peace deal with Israel. They only exist because of intransigence and inability to compromise among Palestinians.

    • undergroundoverground@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      20 days ago

      Israel declaring everyone should just leave is great and everything but where is safe for them to go?

      Its just, to me, the only places they seem to be able to go that might be safe are outside of Palestine but maybe I’m just being cynical.

    • just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
      22·
      20 days ago

      Thats actually a tool of genocide. The whole point of creating the gas chambers was to create an efficient genocide machine. The guards who took the prisoners to the chambers were different from guards who took the bodies. The guards who interacted with the prisoners weren’t allowed to decide who got to live and who did not.

      All in all, the chambers gave the guards a sense of “we are just following orders” feeling thus lessening their guilt. Because no matter how cruel it is, the humans will feel guilt.

      The calling for evacuation is also a similar tool to lessen the guilt of the soldiers. Afterall, those people who died were told to evacuate therefore their death is on their hands.