• SupraMario@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Your numbers are way off. No manufacture would even think about touching hydrogen ICE motors if they only got 10-15% efficiency.

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      11 months ago

      no manufacturer except one that’s still desperately trying to push for a hydrogen economy because they invested too much into hydrogen production

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        11 months ago

        Uhh, no… hydrogen is the only way forward, unless battery tech magically becomes so much better overnight. We haven’t developed a new battery tech over the current stuff since the 70s.

        Here’s big names who are working on hydrogen cars:

        BMW Hyundai Honda Toyota Jaguar

        How you going to tell me hydrogen which is the most abundant thing in the universe, is not worth it?

        You’re the guy hedging his bets on horses and farriers.

        EV works for cities but that’s about it.

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      11 months ago

      https://insideevs.com/news/332584/efficiency-compared-battery-electric-73-hydrogen-22-ice-13/

      according to this website, hydrogen ICEs are very inefficient. same with fuel cell vehicles. the main losses come from converting the hydrogen into and out of electricity. but if said electicity is generated in abundance with renewable energy at a cheap price, this could really be something.

      edit: you can’t really burn electricity, so as a car enthusiast i really hope hydrogen ICEs become a thing.

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        11 months ago

        BEVs are a lot of fun to drive. Car people are nostalgic for burning fuels and roaring engines, but future generations will be far less so. We just need far lighter batteries.

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          11 months ago

          Lighter batteries, lower costs, quicker charging and way longer range under load. Hydrogen is the way forward. I don’t understand why there is so much push back from the EV crowd. EVs are great for city driving, but are terrible for long range and heavy load equipment.

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            11 months ago

            I was specifically talking about cars that are fun to drive. The one thing I dislike about my BEV is that it’s so heavy.

            Personally I don’t think hydrogen is the way for most personal vehicle applications. Batteries are improving a lot and becoming quite a bit cheaper too. Also many large car makers have gone the EV route and they are king makers. But who cares, the better technology will probably win out.

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      11 months ago

      Well. Basically no one except for dumbass boomer executives forcing the company in a direction. Like Toyota.