Secret Service agents protecting President Joe Biden’s granddaughter have opened fire after three people tried to break into an unmarked Secret Service vehicle in Washington.
Crazy that they opened fire on people trying to break in to an unoccupied vehicle.
EDIT: Jesus Christ people. Do you think it’s ok to discharge a firearm in public to attempt to wound or kill someone trying to break in to an unoccupied vehicle? That’s insane.
A secret service vehicle likely has fully automatic weapons inside as well as encrypted radios with current keys and who knows what level of sensitive real time info on presidential movements. It wasn’t just an “unoccupied car” it was a liability that could lead to real danger to the public.
None of which likely constitutes legal justification for deadly force without evidence the offenders’ intent was more than just burglary of an unoccupied car (an occupied car would be a different story). There might be a case for the fleeing felon ruleafter they stole guns, but it would be weak.
I don’t have much sympathy for burglars, but shooting in an urban area poses a considerable risk to bystanders and should be reserved for imminent threats to life.
A secret service vehicle likely has fully automatic weapons inside
No one should be leaving weapons and especially full automatic weapons unattended in a god damn vehicle!
…who knows what level of sensitive real time info on presidential movements.
How fucking dumb do you have to be to leave sensitive security information lying around unattended in a vehicle!
It wasn’t just an “unoccupied car” it was a liability that could lead to real danger to the public.
Any vehicle so stuffed with weapons and confidential information that it needs to be defended by lethal force shouldn’t be parked and left unattended on a public street! Everything that you’ve offered isn’t justification for lethal force, it’s describing behavior so negligent that it would literally rise to the level of CRIMINAL PROSECUTION for any regular person.
The guns wouldn’t just be laying across the back seat but they have to be stored somewhere. Most law enforcement vehicles have fixed weapon mounts or ways to lock them in the trunk. The problem is that if the vehicle is stolen it takes 5 min with a power tool to get through virtually any vehicle based mount. The locks prevent smash and grabs but with full possession of the vehicle the guns are up for grabs. As for information, an encrypted laptop is one thing but even knowing which frequencies and codes are used that day might be valuable to the wrong person. I don’t know, I’m not USSS but I am an Air Force pilot who has flown them all over the world and been in their cars/limos. I also know how loading military encryption into the jet is and I imagine it’s not too different from their gear. On a side note, when you see a USSS dog in a “do not pet” vest, it’s not illegal to ask to pet it. I have petted sooooo many “do not pet” goodbois.
The problem is that if the vehicle is stolen it takes 5 min with a power tool to get through virtually any vehicle based mount.
I’m aware of vehicle mounts and the ease at which firearms can be removed from them. Its why every LE agency I’m aware of has a policy that you can’t leave the vehicle unattended with weapons stored in them.
…an encrypted laptop is one thing…
These should not be left in an unattended vehicle. Even a complete moron knows not to leave valuables in a parked car in the D.C. area and the USSS are not morons. They are people and they fuck up occasionally but they are not morons.
I am an Air Force pilot…
Then you should be well aware of the rules regarding the handling of classified information. At the most basic level its not lawful to leave it unattended in any area where someone with insufficient clearance could gain access to it.
The USSS Personnel who discharged their firearm(s) weren’t fighting off terrorists or trying to keep weapons or confidential information secure. According to the released details they fucked up and fired when they shouldn’t have at suspects who presented no clear danger.
I have petted sooooo many “do not pet” goodbois.
Goodbois deserve all the pets, as long as you have permission. 🙂
There are real threats at that level though. Disabling the SUV could easily be the prelude to an attack because it’s the primary mode of escape. If that’s not it then you’re also responsible for protecting the automatic rifles and classified information in the vehicle. The vehicle itself is also highly classified to prevent people from knowing how to breach it’s armor.
Presumably they went through the use of force continuum and got to warning shot because the guy ain’t dead and the Secret Service protection agents train at an elite level.
If that’s not it then you’re also responsible for protecting the automatic rifles and classified information in the vehicle. The
No vehicle stuffed with automatic weapons and classified information should be parked in a public area and left unattended. You’d have to be dumber than a fucking rock to do it because leaving full auto weapons and / or classified information unsecured are criminal violations under Federal Law!
Crazy that they opened fire on people trying to break in to an unoccupied vehicle.
EDIT: Jesus Christ people. Do you think it’s ok to discharge a firearm in public to attempt to wound or kill someone trying to break in to an unoccupied vehicle? That’s insane.
A secret service vehicle likely has fully automatic weapons inside as well as encrypted radios with current keys and who knows what level of sensitive real time info on presidential movements. It wasn’t just an “unoccupied car” it was a liability that could lead to real danger to the public.
None of which likely constitutes legal justification for deadly force without evidence the offenders’ intent was more than just burglary of an unoccupied car (an occupied car would be a different story). There might be a case for the fleeing felon rule after they stole guns, but it would be weak.
I don’t have much sympathy for burglars, but shooting in an urban area poses a considerable risk to bystanders and should be reserved for imminent threats to life.
Yes, the case against busted thieves stealing weapons from secret service agents would be “weak”. Talk about delusional, sheesh.
The case for shooting them to prevent escape following such a theft would be weak.
Of course they can be arrested and prosecuted for a long list of crimes.
No one should be leaving weapons and especially full automatic weapons unattended in a god damn vehicle!
How fucking dumb do you have to be to leave sensitive security information lying around unattended in a vehicle!
Any vehicle so stuffed with weapons and confidential information that it needs to be defended by lethal force shouldn’t be parked and left unattended on a public street! Everything that you’ve offered isn’t justification for lethal force, it’s describing behavior so negligent that it would literally rise to the level of CRIMINAL PROSECUTION for any regular person.
Yeah no shit dude it’s the secret service.
You honestly don’t want the SS to have guns stashed inside vehicles? Really?
Cmon bud. Think this through.
Literally everything about the vehicle is sensitive security information
The guns wouldn’t just be laying across the back seat but they have to be stored somewhere. Most law enforcement vehicles have fixed weapon mounts or ways to lock them in the trunk. The problem is that if the vehicle is stolen it takes 5 min with a power tool to get through virtually any vehicle based mount. The locks prevent smash and grabs but with full possession of the vehicle the guns are up for grabs. As for information, an encrypted laptop is one thing but even knowing which frequencies and codes are used that day might be valuable to the wrong person. I don’t know, I’m not USSS but I am an Air Force pilot who has flown them all over the world and been in their cars/limos. I also know how loading military encryption into the jet is and I imagine it’s not too different from their gear. On a side note, when you see a USSS dog in a “do not pet” vest, it’s not illegal to ask to pet it. I have petted sooooo many “do not pet” goodbois.
I’m aware of vehicle mounts and the ease at which firearms can be removed from them. Its why every LE agency I’m aware of has a policy that you can’t leave the vehicle unattended with weapons stored in them.
These should not be left in an unattended vehicle. Even a complete moron knows not to leave valuables in a parked car in the D.C. area and the USSS are not morons. They are people and they fuck up occasionally but they are not morons.
Then you should be well aware of the rules regarding the handling of classified information. At the most basic level its not lawful to leave it unattended in any area where someone with insufficient clearance could gain access to it.
The USSS Personnel who discharged their firearm(s) weren’t fighting off terrorists or trying to keep weapons or confidential information secure. According to the released details they fucked up and fired when they shouldn’t have at suspects who presented no clear danger.
Goodbois deserve all the pets, as long as you have permission. 🙂
It’s easy to dehumanizing people.
Yes, however keeping humanity in mind does not mean you never fire your weapon.
Shooting at someone for trying to break into an unoccupied car is an extreme response. Pointing a weapon at them should have been more than enough
There are real threats at that level though. Disabling the SUV could easily be the prelude to an attack because it’s the primary mode of escape. If that’s not it then you’re also responsible for protecting the automatic rifles and classified information in the vehicle. The vehicle itself is also highly classified to prevent people from knowing how to breach it’s armor.
Presumably they went through the use of force continuum and got to warning shot because the guy ain’t dead and the Secret Service protection agents train at an elite level.
Common sense says you don’t need to shoot at people trying to break into a car.
What about protecting the President’s family says “common” to you?
She wasn’t in the vehicle…
I refer you to my original comment.
No vehicle stuffed with automatic weapons and classified information should be parked in a public area and left unattended. You’d have to be dumber than a fucking rock to do it because leaving full auto weapons and / or classified information unsecured are criminal violations under Federal Law!
Well it seems like it wasn’t left unattended at all.
There’s an entirely different calculus around the protection of a country’s leadership.
Shh
Car thieves are a blessing and have to be protected at all costs.
The continued functioning of the government?
Naw lemmy tankies don’t have time for that.