• BoofStroke@lemm.ee
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    11 months ago

    I’d love to get money out of politics. Make political advertising illegal. Give candidates a web site to post their resume. That’s it. No more tv, radio, magazine, web, or newspaper campaign ads.

    This shit is obscene.

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      A two month campaign season would help. Political donations may only occur between Labor Day and Election Day. No donations, fundraisers, or campaigning may occur before or after those dates.

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        As long as we’re making a wishlist, I’ll also take a spending max for the main campaign combined with any supporting PAC (i.e. no shell PACs pretending to be regular citizens supporting a candidate on their own dime). No more billionaire bankrolling to simply outspend the average person.

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        The trouble with a time-limted campaign is that it’s a big country, and politics are local. You’d basically hamstring every candidate who does not have a national profile.

        Nationally funded campaigns are the best path to getting money out of politics. Money isn’t speech, and donations to candidates should be entirely illegal. If anyone wants to run issue ads, that’s fine, make your case to the American public and disclose the source of the funds. But endorsing a specific candidate is quid pro quo bribery.

        Each state funds its own events, and qualifying candidates get a stipend for travel and lodging. No staff, no speech writers, just the candidates and their ideas. Show up, make your case, move on to the next state. 50 debates would cost a tiny fraction of what we spend now, and it would be our money buying it.

        There are a thousand kinks in our electoral process, from balloting to gerrymandering to disenfranchisement, but none of it gets fixed while the process is inherently corrupted by legal bribery.

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      The issue I could see with this is that political groups would have a very strong incentive to get around this and would try to push the limits of it. For example, if advertising about specific candidates is made illegal, groups might make ads promoting or attacking certain political positions instead, as a proxy for the candidates. If you make political advertising for anything illegal, even if not mentioning a specific candidate, then it would get even more thorny, because almost anything can be a political issue. For example, some right-wing political group might try to claim that gay marriage is a political issue and that any depiction of it in media is therefore advertising a stance on it, and sue anyone showing such on those grounds to try to silence people they don’t like.

      Finally, political groups might just buy ads using organizations based outside the country, or use the advertising money instead on hiring people to go on social media and shill for their preferred candidates or positions, having the same effect as advertising without actually running ads.

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      Outlaw fundraising, give every candidate that can get enough signatures $20,000 to run for office, let them compete on ideas, give each candidate the same amount of air time on TV. I think Japan does something like this.

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        I don’t know if Japan is such a great example for politics though. They have a ton of corruption and religion mixed in (Moonies). Also, we kind of set it up for them after the war. I’m not a historian on it, so I don’t know if they set it up exactly like it used to be in the US, or set up something new.

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    $10M to get to second place in a winner take all contest? This is the kind of brain we need running the country. /s

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    Imagine spending $10,000,000 of someone else’s money to maybe win a distant second place in the Republican Primary against a guy who can only be described as a meatball on stilts.

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    Nimarata Nikki Randhawa isn’t going anywhere. A woman, one off from an immigrant won’t even have solid MAGA support, assuming the lead insurrectionist is doing time.

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    Imagine using that $10 million to idk, help people?

    🤷‍♂️

    Nope, lemme stroke my ego and plaster my face on TV and Pop-up ads

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    I think a lot of people lack imagination about what can happen between now and the primaries/general. Trump could be found guilty for numerous crimes. He could go to jail. He could lose his money and properties in that civil trial. He is also an old man that could get dementia, be diagnosed with cancer, or suddenly die of natural causes. If he is suddenly out of the running, being second is very valuable.

    “But for most of those events, people will support him anyways!” Maybe. This is all unprecedented. I don’t know where people get their level of certainty from.

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        I think you misunderstand me. I am not “acting like” anything is certain. I am explicitly endorsing uncertainty. One of the things I fucking hate about the internet is all the insane confidence, and groupthink around that confidence. If it later turns out he loses, a bunch of people will come out and say, “I always thought that. I don’t think anyone thought he would win from jail.” and I’ll want to scratch out my eyes.

        Some definitely will never abandon him. He has a high floor. But he needs support from more than his rabid base to dominate the primaries like he has. Will moderate suburban Republicans also support him from jail? If you’re confident about predicting that, the prediction is based on no historical data because it’s unprecedented.

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          I am absolutely confident that no sequence of events could cost Trump the republican nomination. Infirmity, imprisonment, penury? Irrelevant.

          The general is less predictable. But the republican primary-voting base is locked in for Trump until death.

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    Yeah it would one thing if she were actually throwing her own money into the gutter just to overtake the turd in front, but it doesn’t come out of her pockets. And frankly I’m not sure which is the bigger turd, her or Ron De-Shithead. They definitely do have other people’s money to use to turn this nation into a happy little sewer for bigots like themselves.

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      Ron is the bigger shithead. I wouldn’t like it but I could probably stomach Haley being president. However, for that reason, Haley will also never win the GOP primary.

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        I’d probably sooner have her than him, only because she’s female and might possibly have a shred or kernel of compassion within her somewhere. Ron just seems out to hurt people and take money from groups who support that kind of cruelty.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Nikki Haley’s presidential campaign will reserve $10m in television, radio and digital advertising across Iowa and New Hampshire beginning in the first week of December, a massive investment designed to give the former UN ambassador an advantage over the Florida governor, Ron DeSantis, at a critical moment in the GOP nomination fight.

    DeSantis stands as Haley’s strongest competition for her party’s second-place slot, although the Florida governor’s campaign has shown signs of financial strain after a tumultuous summer.

    Rival campaigns are betting that if they can emerge as the main alternative to Trump, they can consolidate enough support to mount a strong challenge against him or replace him if he falters.

    Trump faces four criminal indictments, including a case focusing on his efforts to overturn his 2020 general election defeat in Georgia and another on felony charges for working to overturn the results of the 2020 election in the run-up to the violent January 6 2021 riot by his supporters at the US Capitol.

    The South Carolina senator Tim Scott, whose allied Super Pac had booked $7.5m in ads through Iowa’s 15 January caucuses, dropped out of the race late on Sunday.

    “The same can’t be said for Ron DeSantis, who, even with a decent showing in Iowa, can’t afford a cup of coffee at the Red Arrow diner in New Hampshire and is a mere tourist in South Carolina.”


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    She’s the honest to God candidate that could beat Biden.

    I don’t like her, but she’s rational and proven that she’s capable.

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      Do you really think any of them would vote for a woman, even if they have to write-in for trump, he’s their guy.

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          “With 76% reporting, it seems we have a nearly 4 way tie for the Republican Presidential candidate between Rump, Tump, Tramp, and Drump.”

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        As long as there is a big ole R next to the name come election day they’ll vote for it.

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      I think they are hoping Trump goes to jail and try to push a “moderate”. I bet Scott’s exit is probably a deal to make him VP if Haley gets the nom.

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        Eh, likely not vp. Two people from the same state would do nothing to help the ticket Perhaps some cabinet level position

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      I will never vote for her, but the polling agrees with you. She is the strongest in a match up against Biden.

      edit: The polls have been pretty consistent that Haley is strongest against Biden. Here is one example. If that still makes you want to push the downvote button, then you have no right to accuse rightwingers of mindless tribalism.

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        Lol we are getting down voting for speaking the truth.

        Fucking people only want to hear/read what they want the narrative to be. Fuck reality.

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          The degree of group think and lack of nuance on Lemmy is starting to get to me. My politics are firmly progressive, but that shouldn’t even matter for what I’m saying, which is an objective empirical claim.