They gonna call Bernard “I got into politics because my extended family literally died in the holocaust” Sanders antisemitic now?
“While Israel has the right to go after Hamas, Netanyahu’s right-wing extremist government does not have the right to wage almost total warfare against the Palestinian people,” the Vermont senator said in a statement.
Seems like his views on this are pretty much aligned with that of typical israelis.
And yet that’s the same view that has had people screaming about anti-semitism for the past month.
Dumb people are going to dumb.
Doesn’t change facts though.
Aren’t most Israelis calling for the expulsion of Palestinians from the region?
idk about a majority…There was a massive protest outside Netanyahu’s house.
Israeli’s are bombing their own civilians that are being held hostage right now. They are killing their own as if they are disposable.
Well I’m sure the families of the hostages aren’t super happy about the way the war is being waged, but I wonder about the others. He did get voted in, and a lot more legitimately than Hamas in Gaza which was years before half their population was old enough to vote.
Well Trump, Putin and Hitler also were voted in.
But I doubt the majority would vote for them again given the chance.
I have to admit that I do not know. Probably not? How they think about it currently might be a bit different from how they thought about it 2 months ago.
My understanding is that they’re pretty displeased with both Hamas and Netanjahu’s government and are mostly blaming both for the current catastrophe.
Senator Sanders is in lockstep with Biden & rest of Democratic caucus’s view here. There is a big push not to lose the path for a two-state solution and to pause West Bank settlement expansion. Wouldn’t be surprised if President Biden’s friend Bernard consulted with him about this beforehand.
It’s almost like it’s a complex problem with no easy solution
So was South Africa and the Native Americans and the racial relations in the US and countless other situations but we still try to inrpove them.
If there is one thing I don’t like about Lemmy (and social media in general) its that a majority of people can’t grasp complex sitstuons or solutions and cling to the thing they dislike without consideration for everything else.
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No, come on, don’t be like that. We can do this.
complex problem
It’s amazing how “westerners” always hide behind “complexity” when it comes to the white supremacist colonialism they’ve helped create…
That was 75 years ago my guy, neither of us had anything to do with it
It’s still an anti colonial struggles. Right now Palestinians are resisting efforts by Israeli settlers who are using the “war” and the IDF to expand their holdings in West Bank.
It’s also still an open question as to whether Palestinians who left North Gaza will be allowed back in. Several Israeli ministers have said that pushing them out should be the goal and the Prime Minister has publicly said Israel should just keep Gaza after this military campaign.
Not many people still alive, but the exact same imperial systems we’re working the gears on today.
had anything to do with it
Oh… were you running interference for a white supremacist settler-colonialist state today or 75 years ago?
This is a lot easier to say from the other side where you don’t have to face the consequences for doing something. Americans don’t really have a choice, they can either vote for the Democrats or the Republicans or throw their vote away. Peaceful protest has long ceased to function and is mostly a tool for the opposing powers of the current party in power.
Just look at the people of France, famous for not taking shit, suddenly neutered because the increasingly authoritarian government simply doesn’t care if they burn Paris down. Or the UK and the Tories running rampant. Canada’s rising far right movement. Governments are no longer accountable to the people. In powerful countries, the only things left that people can do lead to imprisonment or death.
And I guarantee you wouldn’t do anything about this either if you were born American. Consider yourself lucky you’re not, and hope your country doesn’t slide into the same position where neither you nor your people will do anything about it either.
where you don’t have to face the consequences for doing something.
Face consequences for what, exactly? Not regurgitating white supremacist pro-Israeli propaganda on lemmy? Exactly what consequences will they face?
Governments are no longer accountable to the people
They never were, and it has never been a valid excuse for toeing the party line. That’s what the entire “complexity” schtick is all about - it’s just another fig leaf to hide behind and you know it.
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This man could have been the president
Not if the DNC had anything to do about it, and they did.
After all, they’re part of The Big Club.
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Wrong, what they did with the superdelegates and how they reported the numbers made a lot of people vote Hillary because the graphs said she was ahead right out of the gate when all they had counted was those superdelegates. Bernie would have beat Trump in the general, there’s no doubt in my mind, but a lot of democrats just couldn’t hold their nose hard enough to vote for Hillary. “Her turn” my ass.
Plus her whole campaign really just showed how out of touch she is with the average citizen. After the DNC debacle she really just shot herself in the foot, repeatedly.
Bernie also ran in 2020. If he would have won South Carolina in the 2020 primary, he could be President now as that was the state that caused Joe Biden to rise to the favorite. Not acknowledging his electoral weakness doesn’t help in getting another progressive to win in the future. The DNC and corporate media are going to try and surpress progressive candidates whether with superdelegate reporting or something else, but Bernie’s strategy didn’t move the needle to be winning in the south.
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I voted for him, but I have a feeling his agenda would have gone nowhere thanks to the corporate ass-kissers in both parties in congress and the judiciary. Maybe we don’t deserve social democracy.
I voted for him, but I have a feeling his agenda would have gone nowhere thanks to the corporate ass-kissers in both parties in congress and the judiciary. Maybe we don’t deserve social democracy.
Not with that attitude we don’t.
that kind of defeatism guarantees that we will never have a morally upstanding president.
You are a part of a self-fulfilling prophecy. Sanders would not get everything he wants done in a term, but any progress is better than our current puppet presidents
Nah, tho. Young people didn’t vote in high enough numbers. Depressing. I voted Bernie.
I didn’t. I was wrong. I’m sorry.
At least you own it. That’s progress.
Several million young prospective voters were prevented from voting by going to college in states that don’t allow out of state resident voting and not being able to vote in their home states on a Tuesday.
Add the fact that colleges are typically critically underserved when it comes to voting infrastructure, leading to a requirement to stand in line for the equivalent of a full-time job working day and it’s clear that it’s not young people being too apathetic.
It’s politicians ratfucking them almost as much as they ratfuck people of color and people of color have much better get out the vote infrastructure to counteract it than colleges do.
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First of all, that’s a gross oversimplification. Second, even if it wasn’t, you’re basically saying that college aged people who live in those states either don’t matter or there’s not enough of them to possibly effect election results.
Either way, it’s an ignorant and callous argument. Especially when you consider that college is the first chance for most people who hate living in deep red states to gtfo of there
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You JUST pointed out yourself that they wouldn’t have been able to GET an absentee ballot in and/or from certain states. Your reality-ignoring victim blaming is getting stale.
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I was young and voted for Bernie
Now I’m old and tired of this shit 😔
He was nowhere close to even contesting the primary. He got blown out by 3 million votes.
I didn’t say he was close. My comment is basically a wish, kind of a “what could have been” situation.
Ah ok. Thought it was another “Bernie got robbed” thing.
That’s the thing. He wasn’t going to beat Hillary in 2016. Yet, the Party took it in their hands to hurt him, give Hilary questions to debates, etc. It has always been that way. If you aren’t with the Party, you won’t get on their ballot.
Or perhaps Trump would have been the president if Sanders had been against him. Difficult to tell.
Highly unlikely.
Sanders was literally the meme about nobody caring about cspan and has a long history of refusing to condemn the particularly brutal communist regimes. And he would have been up against a notorious name caller
Who are the current brutal communist regimes that Sanders was supposed to condemn that he didn’t condemn?
As usual, the voice of sanity.
As usual, he’ll be declared unrealistic and unreasonable for it by his own lesser peers and party.
Oh, centrists and trumpists are gonna identically hate this.
Sanders is a centrist
Centre doesn’t mean both sides or in between the right and far right
No.
He’s left of center. Not anywhere near as far left as neoliberals (who are center right to right wing) and their favourite billionaire owned media outlets pretend or democratic socialist like HE pretends, but still center-left to left wing.
He’s very close to a classic European style social democrat on most issues.
You’re saying he’s left because he’s left of “insert right wing person” but left/right isn’t competitive
He’s pro-gun, pro-trans, pro-car, anti-globalization
His union supports are left but health care isn’t left or right it’s bought or not bought
Edit: I’m glad you idiots can only say he’s left of the far right
That’s a whole lot of words to say that you don’t know what the left-right political spectrum is and how it works.
He’s not pro-gun. That vote against the Brady bill people keep trying to make the definition of his current gun policy was a mistake. He’s said verbatim that he was wrong back then and would vote differently now.
Being in favor of trans rights is more on the “liberty/authoritarianism” axis but yeah, that’s very much in the liberty direction.
As for pro-car, I have no idea what you mean. Judging by his overall theme of everyone cooperating to improve things, I find it EXTREMELY unlikely that he’s not very much in favor of public mass transit playing a much larger role where practically possible.
As for globalisation, that term means a million things depending on who you ask. It can mean global cooperation to meet shared goals such as climate change amelioration, which he’s clearly in favor of, but it can also mean unlimited power for transnational corporations, which he’s very much against.
He is pro single payer healthcare, meaning he is pro tax to pay for universal healthcare. Check your facts, homie, because we don’t want to. It’s exhausting.
Centre doesn’t mean in between …
stop
Context matters. Try finishing the sentence.
Its the reality of America 🇺🇸
He is literally a democratic socialist.
I have a better idea… why doesn’t the US just stop funding murderous fascism everywhere period?
Because being morally upstanding doesn’t work when every other country is trying to outmaneuver you geopolitically.
The same standards should be applied to all countries. Otherwise you’re forced into a vicious cycle of an arms race for brutal global domination. This is the purpose of international law and if anything we should be decentralizing and strengthening it.
https://consortiumnews.com/2023/11/20/us-israel-dead-last-in-following-un-charter/
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Oh, poor, poor US… forced to be the most prolific funder and enabler of fascist terrorism in human history because somebody else twisted it’s arm.
Poor, poor US.
Hey, Russia’s trying it’s hardest.
Because unstable regimes make them and the NRA a lot of profit.
See also: Russia starting an unprovoked war because of the fears that the evil west will try to geopolitics them.
See also also: fucking bullshit.Russia starting an unprovoked war
Soooo… how’s the “Unprovoked Wars Since WW2” awards looking this year? Is Russia still about a hundred wars behind the US or is it starting to catch up?
Your random whataboitism looks even more pathetic in a thread about how it’s bad and wrong to start wars even if you say the word geopolitics a lot, and how US bad actually for doing that. Don’t get me wrong, that is always pathetic, it’s just more pathetic now
Your random whataboitism
Just to be clear… which “whataboutism” are you referring to here?
You wanna go through the whole list so that you see how many of these “whataboutisms” you have to try and debunk (somehow)?
I am beginning to think I am not speaking to a person, those levels of lack of reading comprehension are very hard to achieve for a human of flesh and blood.
because people still live in the countries even if the governments are bad.
We don’t fund Israel because its people are hungry, we fund them for the military advantage it provides us and this weird thing where half the country thinks that if Jews control Israel, then blue eyed, capitalist Jesus will be able to come and swoop down and carry them away to Heaven before everyone else is smushed by God like grapes in a wine press. It’s a whole thing. https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/gaza-war-evangelical-leaders-cheer-end-world-1234884151/
How about just not giving Israel aid, period?
If its capable of launching a genocidal crusade, it must be developed and stable enough to not need our fucking purse strings holding it up.
It’s a bit more complex than that A random idiot 😔
I can’t tell if you’re insulting the person to whom you replied or signing off on your own comment.
I believe they are addressing OP by their @
Ah yes I see it now I fart glitter 😀
I can’t tell if you’re insulting the flatulence of the person to whom you replied or signing off on your own comment.
If you can’t tell, brother… take a deep breath and look through the clouds of glitter
Ah yes thank you I smell it now Hony Tawk 😀
Ah, thanks for pointing that out. My own lack of observation did spark a lovely thread, though. Beauty from incompetence.
If you can’t tell, brother… take a deep breath and look through the clouds
We already have laws that prohibit giving military aid to genocidal regimes.
We’re just ignoring them.
That would be the place (the Senate) to do it, not the Presidency.
While Israel has the right to go after Hamas, Netanyahu’s right-wing extremist government does not have the right to wage almost total warfare against the Palestinian people
A nuanced view? Is that allowed?
Not in my experience 😮💨
This just proves that Sanders is the biggest antisemite. /s
Word.
As a tax-paying citizen can I add we shouldn’t be using our money to blow up anyone? I mean sure let’s not support Zionist genocide in Gaza to push their “chosen people” racism. But furthermore, can we not bomb Syria or other places or support those who do?
Hmmm sorry, best we can do for you is furrowing our brow while we sign the murder checks. Hopefully that signals our virtues well enough to move on so we can focus on more pressing issues like “are drag queens Satan” and “what should senators wear to work”
Wait what if we just give the money to the drag queens, too much glitter?
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Too little, too late. Retire. Make way for those not beholden to utterly corrupt PAC money
