Sealioning is when someone pretends to be interested but acts in bad faith to wear out and exhaust whoever they’re responding to. Discuss
Sigh. This guy again.
Check out OPs other posts, don’t interact as s/he/it wastes everyone’s energy, exactly as the question indicates. Beware.
depends on if your instance is federated with Hexbear or not
Lemmy.world?
they’re defederated from lemmy.world I’m pretty sure
wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one
What do you think is the deal with this instance?
Sealioning is talked about far more often than it actually happens, because people often perceive both fundamental disagreement and lack of knowledge about something that they are extremely familiar with as bad faith.
Sea lioning is like gaslighting. Very useful concept, extremely overused as an accusation by people who are mad about something.
Did you see their response I salvaged?
I’ve interacted with a lot of manipulative people online and offline, and nothing I could find in wildginger’s public comments was suggestive of manipulation. No Motte & Bailey defense, no coercive use of ambiguous phrasing, absolutely no sealioning, and not much of anything else. The worst thing they did was show an understandable amount of anger at your insistence that Christian Selig open-source his highly expensive software.
Because he deletes them. Or the moderator removes them. You’re right that the comments he doesn’t delete or that aren’t
Removed by moderatorare probably fine but on the basis of the points I made, its incredibly curated at that point, voluntarily or otherwiseAlso, I paid for platinum/lifetime and also have no issue with paying a monthly subscription for the requisite monthly API fee that he woulf just need to negotiate with Reddit and implement
Christian is annoyed about Voyager but he doesn’t realize what a huge compliment it is to him and nobody would have bothered if he had switchef to Lemmy. Its just that people relied on Apollo and thats unacceptable for us. I personally use Memmy for the most part but I still disagree in principle with all the naysayers
The entire thread is visible to me on Voyager and Chromium with no deletions, I don’t see any deletions under this post either
So if he deleted one from this thread and I can prove it by producing it, what think you then?
Like, why would he delete the thing I have unless there was some negative inference or issue with it?
If it’s the one you reposted that goes “oh my god, did you make a whole post (…)” both copies of that one are visible
My app doesn’t show that, its literally gone…
Wow salty arse op.
Go on have a sook.
Ok
Sealioning. I haven’t heard of this before but this sounds like a very interesting phenomenon. Do you have more information? Is this a new term? Where did it originate?
Its ubiquitous enough to be in the dictionary XD. Hopefully moderators of the sea like sharks and shit take care of them but sometimes its too late
I dunno. I genuinely try to give people a chance to change my views on such which means a back and forth but while I change my mind on ocaasion someone has to have some good stuff to get it there as it takes a fair amount for me to make up my mind somewhat to begin with.
That’s not at issue, absolutely, you are correct. I’ve noticed they often refuse to deal with anything substantive and they’ll nitpick and refuse to engage on anything like that. Its like “oh i noticed a spelling error and you removed a post” or something purposely inflammatory and swear at you while refusing to engage meaningfully on a good faith level.
Edit: example from the wild/field
Sealioning is never allowed on other more strictly moderated platforms like HN or Tildes or Lobste.rs to the extent I might prioritize my time on those over here. I’m getting tired of it
I think there is always going to be stuff like that even without sealioning. I have had some back and forths where it feels, at least to me, like they can only talk about the last post and don’t take the whole conversation into context. It often results in arguing about something that had nothing to do with the main point of contention and even one sided to some degree. like they are aguing that I am saying something that I don’t think im saying. I don’t think its always from disengueness. Just relative thought processes I suppose. I do get frustrated though but I am 100% what I write seems wack to folks. Maybe like this very paragraph.
But at least there’s a good faith back and forth. I can deal with this because we’re both being even-handed. There’s no personal attacks or dismissiveness that is entirely unearned on their side of things. They actively refuse to answer or speak to subtance, only form if they are even doing that much
Edit: but the hallmark is after its apparent or the jig is up, you only have to say
OkorYesor some other terse response and they immediately close up shop. Its rather formulaic imaoyeah. increasing levels of cursing and then I start to decide if I should just block and move on.
Sealioning is BS. The only times I see it used is then someone don’t have a good response to come back with. So they throw whatever they can to discredit the other person.
So what if that person is serial comment deleter or is removed by moderators. Doesn’t that lend an iota of credibillity to my claim?
Please answer the question as written and shown above
I don’t believe it has ever happened on Lemmy and I would defy you to prove otherwise (ideally with extensive documentation).
The problem is they constantly delete their comments and I don’t have to prove anything. This post is more of a PSA to help people recognize what is happening and how to terminate it
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I don’t have anything to add to this post, but am curious about the etymology here. I have never seen a sea lion, don’t they just laze around on rocks?
If my question is inappropriate here, I understand.
They’re pretty savage and assholey from what I’ve seen. They eat damn penguins, its fucked. I was surprised its in the bigboy dictionary but there you have it
Downvotes all around, woooow. Even reasonable points. Kinda emblematic of sealioning. Their only true and coherent response is downvoting in place of answering with anything resembling good faith.
sealioning == bad-faith engagement
Bro, you just downvoted everyone and changed the automatic upvote on all your own comments into downvotes. Both vote totals are recorded separately
Sealioning
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