How does that show lack of due process? And what do you define as “all the time?”
DeAndre Davis has been waiting 651 days in a Sacramento County jail. Charged with the murder of a 21-year-old man shot during a robbery in 2019, he hasn’t been tried and he hasn’t been sentenced — and he hasn’t even had a preliminary hearing to decide if there’s enough evidence to take him to trial.
For Davis, it’s been an agonizing ordeal made worse by the pandemic. Held without bail because of the severity of the charges
While this is all awful and should all change, it is hardly being held “without due process”
Things can be bad without being the worst thing possible.
How is being held in jail without a hearing, for almost 2 years due process? Yes there is a huge issue with the amount of back log in the legal system no doubt. If this person is found to be innocent, or in the preliminary trial found that not enough evidence exists to charge this person, they have not been given due process, if they’re lucky they will get a bit of money, while their entire life fell apart around them. They would have been detained in violation of the 14th. That is not due process.
How is being held in jail without a hearing, for almost 2 years due process?
You’re waiting on a hearing, which is part of your due process.
Your issue here in conflating that concept with a speedy trial. The system is broken and overloaded in some places, and so compliance there is difficult.
I’m all for prison reform as a whole. I’m for ripping the whole incarceration system out by the roots. But words have actual meanings.
Yes, sure. There are many issues with the bail system, but people should not be locked up without due process. Charges were brought, bail was set, and he’s awaiting trial. Time will tell the rest of it, but that’s not getting off Scott free.
Yes, fair. I want an air tight case, and that takes time. It’s frustrating. But a flimsy case would be worse. Putting him directly into jail would be worse and set a terrible precedent. People seem eager to fall head first into his narrative.
Yes, and if he was locked up without due process, it would say something else.
They lock people up without due process awaiting trial all the time though right?
Depends, there’s certainly a good argument to be made that the bail system is flawed, etc. But trump was arraigned and is out on bail.
No. No they literally do not.
Funny, there’s a jail a couple of miles from me full of a few thousand people who would disagree with you.
I’m not surprised that people in jail don’t have a strong grasp on the difference between due process and speedy trials.
You don’t end up in county by making good choices
Way to punch down. 👍
Do you have a different source? https://calmatters.org/justice/2021/03/waiting-for-justice/
How does that show lack of due process? And what do you define as “all the time?”
While this is all awful and should all change, it is hardly being held “without due process”
Things can be bad without being the worst thing possible.
Do you not think that being held in jail for 651 days without even a preliminary hearing is lack of due process?
Seems like a violation of the 14th amendment to me.
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt14-S1-3/ALDE_00013743/#ALDF_00028619
I quoted the part where they’re getting due process. What they’re not getting is a speedy trial. The reasons for this are a system that’s overwhelmed.
Specifically they’re being held so long because of a failure in the act of complying with due process.
How is being held in jail without a hearing, for almost 2 years due process? Yes there is a huge issue with the amount of back log in the legal system no doubt. If this person is found to be innocent, or in the preliminary trial found that not enough evidence exists to charge this person, they have not been given due process, if they’re lucky they will get a bit of money, while their entire life fell apart around them. They would have been detained in violation of the 14th. That is not due process.
You’re waiting on a hearing, which is part of your due process.
Your issue here in conflating that concept with a speedy trial. The system is broken and overloaded in some places, and so compliance there is difficult.
I’m all for prison reform as a whole. I’m for ripping the whole incarceration system out by the roots. But words have actual meanings.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/procedural_due_process#:~:text=Overview,by a neutral decision-maker.
If he wasn’t wealthy and white he’d be behind bars right now awaiting trial.
He’s wealthy and orange though.
wealthy*
* not really
Yes, rich people pay bail all the time. We shouldn’t we make a political prisoner because of that.
Due process does not mean, “scott free until there’s a guilty verdict”, you utter numpty. These aren’t all civil charges.
I suppose being rude makes you feel good, strong, and right.
I know he’s rich, but a 200k bail is not Scott free. People pay bail all the time.
When you’re rich, $200,000 and “free” are the same thing.
Yes, sure. There are many issues with the bail system, but people should not be locked up without due process. Charges were brought, bail was set, and he’s awaiting trial. Time will tell the rest of it, but that’s not getting off Scott free.
Most of us would be held during trial if we threatened the court personnel and violated gag orders the way he has.
The wheels of justice grind very slowly. The bigger the case, the longer it takes to build.
But yes, I’m getting impatient. There should be consequences for trying to overthrow the government.
Yes, fair. I want an air tight case, and that takes time. It’s frustrating. But a flimsy case would be worse. Putting him directly into jail would be worse and set a terrible precedent. People seem eager to fall head first into his narrative.
“Justice delayed is justice denied”, especially if it’s delayed long enough for the defendant to dismantle the justice system itself.
He should have been arrested on the spot and thrown into gitmo while the courts decide what to do with the body.
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I just want him to get the same treatment I would get if I committed a serious crime in broad daylight.
Sure, we’ll all be waiting for a verdict with baited breath.