… because begging the question is a form of circular logic rather than an assertion that a contrary position would be disqualifying to one’s chances, realistically speaking?
Buddy, you’ve assumed ‘a lack of contrary views’ in your definition of ‘realistic candidate’ in the assertion ‘no other realistic candidate has a contrary view’. That is the very definition of circular.
Doesn’t matter if you think it’s a true statement regardless, it doesn’t make it any less circular.
Circular logic is using facts of a presumed conclusion to support the conclusion (for example “if I’m right then X is true and because of X I’m right” without actually addressing the argument for/against X).
Your ridiculous nonsense is a strawman argument where you’re pretending your opponent will use non sequiturs, instead of actually addressing their real argument, and likewise you’re assuming your opponent will be wrong before they have presented the full argument (and furthermore you have made zero attempt at proving otherwise by not presenting any other candidate with better policies)
“two things are correlated” is simply not the definition of circular.
“No other realistic candidate would handle this differently than X: because proposed Y candidate would handle this differently they are not a realistic candidate”?
Pointing out PugJesus’s ridiculous qualifier to the question is the only reasonable response, because literally any candidate proposed could be considered unrealistic on the basis of their contrary position to the question at hand. It isn’t worthy of engagement because they have already assumed the conclusion in the question as posed.
It wouldn’t even be a straw man YOU COCKEYED SALAMI, it would at most be a “fallacy fallacy”, since rather than attacking a false representation of their argument, I dismissed the conclusion on the basis of his fallacious reasoning.
But even then, YOU IRRIDESCENT PORCUPINE, I haven’t argued on behalf of the realism of Cornell West’s candidacy, I’ve only pointed out that PugJesus’s qualification of “realistic” is intentionally open-ended and clearly in bad faith. There are many potential candidates that have said they would handle this issue differently, but presumably none would be “realistic” because PugJesus considers Bidens response the only reasonable one.
Go self-flagellate yourself with a dictionary, you pompous leprechaun
But that’s a strawman because that’s your argument and not theirs. As much as you think you attacked their real argument you simply did not.
Since you specifically chose to only attack the choice of words but not actually address the argument by not trying to present another “realistic option” or alternatively ask what they mean by it, you have no grounds for claiming that your attack is valid.
Tell me how this isn’t begging the question.
… because begging the question is a form of circular logic rather than an assertion that a contrary position would be disqualifying to one’s chances, realistically speaking?
… do you know what begging the question is?
“No other realistic candidate has a contrary view on this issue” -> “Their contrary views disqualify them as a realistic candidate”
Seems pretty circular to me.
That’s not circular logic, and thinking it is reflects a serious lack of understanding of what circular logic is supposed to describe and criticize.
Buddy, you’ve assumed ‘a lack of contrary views’ in your definition of ‘realistic candidate’ in the assertion ‘no other realistic candidate has a contrary view’. That is the very definition of circular.
Doesn’t matter if you think it’s a true statement regardless, it doesn’t make it any less circular.
Go take a logics class you irate troll.
Circular logic is using facts of a presumed conclusion to support the conclusion (for example “if I’m right then X is true and because of X I’m right” without actually addressing the argument for/against X).
Your ridiculous nonsense is a strawman argument where you’re pretending your opponent will use non sequiturs, instead of actually addressing their real argument, and likewise you’re assuming your opponent will be wrong before they have presented the full argument (and furthermore you have made zero attempt at proving otherwise by not presenting any other candidate with better policies)
“two things are correlated” is simply not the definition of circular.
You mean like,
“No other realistic candidate would handle this differently than X: because proposed Y candidate would handle this differently they are not a realistic candidate”?
Pointing out PugJesus’s ridiculous qualifier to the question is the only reasonable response, because literally any candidate proposed could be considered unrealistic on the basis of their contrary position to the question at hand. It isn’t worthy of engagement because they have already assumed the conclusion in the question as posed.
It wouldn’t even be a straw man YOU COCKEYED SALAMI, it would at most be a “fallacy fallacy”, since rather than attacking a false representation of their argument, I dismissed the conclusion on the basis of his fallacious reasoning.
But even then, YOU IRRIDESCENT PORCUPINE, I haven’t argued on behalf of the realism of Cornell West’s candidacy, I’ve only pointed out that PugJesus’s qualification of “realistic” is intentionally open-ended and clearly in bad faith. There are many potential candidates that have said they would handle this issue differently, but presumably none would be “realistic” because PugJesus considers Bidens response the only reasonable one.
Go self-flagellate yourself with a dictionary, you pompous leprechaun
But that’s a strawman because that’s your argument and not theirs. As much as you think you attacked their real argument you simply did not.
Since you specifically chose to only attack the choice of words but not actually address the argument by not trying to present another “realistic option” or alternatively ask what they mean by it, you have no grounds for claiming that your attack is valid.
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