• Boozilla@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    My hope would be that we can transition peacefully to a hybrid model with the rising power of unions, gradual emergence of worker cooperatives, and increased demand for socialized health care and affordable housing.

    However, I think it’s more likely that things will have to collapse first. Especially with violent accelerationist types doing their thing. Unfortunately, it’s far easier to destroy systems than it is to repair them.

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      11 months ago

      I have reservations about unions. While it does give employees bargaining power, it sometimes does it to a fault. We see this with police unions in the US as it stops bad apples from getting proper punishment, and as a result, they get slaps on the wrist. I imagine that it would be equally as hard to fire somebody in other industries like medicine unless there’s a 3rd party (like an arbitrator or court) enforcing these decisions.

      Also, without any legislation in the US, I’d argue that unions will stay incredibly difficult to form, and even if they do, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they can negotiate with companies fairly. Companies out there (I believe Dish is an example) have spent 10 years stalling negotiations with unions, and it’s all practically legal.

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      11 months ago

      My hope would be that we can transition peacefully to a hybrid model with the rising power of unions, gradual emergence of worker cooperatives, and increased demand for socialized health care and affordable housing.

      None of this has anything to do with capitalism tho.

      Like, capitalism can and should be the economic engine driving these positive outcomes.

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        11 months ago

        I mean not really? Because currently capitalism as an economic engine is actively preventing these outcomes. And basically by design. How do you explain that?

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          11 months ago

          A lot of capitalist countries have free healthcare. So how is capitalism preventing that?

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            11 months ago

            Because in those countries it was regulated enough?

            The question you need to answer is why countries like the US don’t and if you disagree that capitalism didn’t have anything to do with it

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              11 months ago

              Well yes, regulation is often needed to ensure that markets remain free and the USA is a great example of how that can fail.

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                11 months ago

                The USA is also a good example how the markets can get in the way of the regulation and of free markets. The players in the free market don’t really benefit from being in a free market. They have every incentive to change that.