Thank you stranger! I completely agree. I can’t keep track of what I’ve said and what threads, but my whole basic idea is if you’re not in a swing state then vote third party. I completely agree it’s a long term strategy.
Okay when you blatantly lie like that. I know there’s no reasoning with you. It’s like when Trump supporters refused to admit when he’s lied about something. You just told me something about third party candidates but also told me they don’t exist. You’re clearly contradicting yourself and you clearly know better.
3rd party candidates clearly do exist. Third party candidates have even won elections in this country. I’ll admit it’s been a long time. Do you realize the primary obstacle third parties face is the very mentality you’re exhibiting? If we don’t organize and try to actually do better, we will never do better.
I don’t think speaking with you will be productive, so this will probably be my last message to you. Good luck dude✌️😎
You’ve clearly never heard of 3rd party candidates then! If you have heard of them, I want you to ask yourself why you feel compelled to so overly simplify a situation that you boil it down to a blatant lie.
Coalition: an alliance for combined action, a temporary alliance of political parties(plural) forming a government or of states.
So you’re incorrect there.
By the definition you seem to be implying than every political party is a coalition because there are multiple people in them and people don’t have hive minds… So that’s kind of irrelevant and worthless.
Moving on, let’s focus on the Sinema thing. Pretending to be left-wing is the thing I’m talking about! Democrat or Republican all of these politicians do what they’re paid to do. When team dumb, looks like they’re finally about to score a point, we’re always going to lose just enough people that we don’t quite have the vote. Because that’s what the people that pay them to do their job tell them to do.
This idea that we have to back the Democrats because otherwise the Republicans will get in. I get it. Republicans are blatantly fascist instead of secretly fascist . They do horrible s*** and make stuff worse all the time. I hate them too.
But it’s also what the Democrats want. Have you heard of the pied Piper strategy? If not, I implore you to stop arguing with my asshole self and Google it. If you don’t want to do that, I’ll summarize it briefly for you. The Democrats literally send money to the most far-Right candidates in order to scare people into voting for them. They know about this trap and they want us constantly caught in it so nothing can get better.
The Democrat and Republican parties are Siamese twins. They are attached at the hip. One cannot survive without the other.
That’s my best attempt to get through to you dude. I’m not going to respond after this✌️
Wait, are you telling me the Democrats don’t actually do the things they say they’re going to do and always find some way to f*** it up?? Oh my God I had no idea. Maybe we should vote for actual left-wing people instead of you know Democrats.
Are these different than the hundreds of women who are dying because of abortion law changes that happened while Biden was President because he failed to stack the supreme Court like he said he would?
This is fucking asinine. How do you possibly think that anyone who would vote for kanye West or RFK would otherwise be Biden voters you dummy. Do you not understand that the Nazis in the vaccine conspiracy heads are all conservatives, who would vote for Trump?
The third party candidates you have to worry about stealing votes from only Biden or Jill Stein Dr. West and Claudia de Lacruz. So congrats you got Jill Stein right. Now compare the share of the vote. RFK is getting compared to Jill Stein and the others. Dumbass.
This insane worldview where anything that’s not a vote for Biden is a vote for Trump is fucking crazy and it’s why no one likes neoliberals.
The popular vote does not determine elections. I don’t know how many times I have to tell people that. Do you know Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016 but lost the election? The popular vote does not matter. It doesn’t seem you have the ability to learn new information, so I’m going to stop replying to you. I hope you one day learn that you don’t have to speak on topics you don’t understand. Good luck little buddy✌️
Ok buddy. This topic and level of nuance seems to be above your comprehension level. I’m going to leave you with a few facts. I won’t be responding to you after this.
I voted third party in 2016. Jill Stein.
Hillary Clinton won my state in 2016 easily. It’s a very blue state.
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote in 2016 but lost the election.
I hope you spend some time to fill in the gaps of information you don’t know. I hope you one day learn that it’s okay not to know everything and to not pretend like you know more than you do. Best of luck ✌️
A second ago convincing everyone on lemmy wasn’t “even a single digit percent” now it could be a few percent and change the result of the election🤣? Do you see why I think you are ignorant and dramatic?
Like dude I get it trump and his fascist cronies are scary as fuck. But My state will not suddenly become contested in the 2024 election. I guarantee it. It will be blue. My vote for a third party just slowly puts their number up over time to get us out of this mess. The more people who can do that the better. Obviously if you’re in a swing state or state that could become contested. Yeah, vote for the lesser evil. I’m not in that situation. If you’re not able to grasp that, that’s your problem.
All right and if you got every single person on lemmy to vote for the dems or the Republicans, it wouldn’t change the outcome of the election. Are you saying this argument determines absolutely nothing? Because I agree lol.
Do you know that the popular vote doesn’t determine the outcome of US presidential elections? Cuz it sounds like you don’t understand that. I’m totally for switching to rank choice voting. Sadly we need elected politicians to do that sooooo not really productive 🤷
If we vote in some third party candidates who are actual leftist, they might enact rank choice voting. So maybe start there.
Yes, I’m annoyed because you don’t even understand my country’s voting system or why it would matter what state you live in when it comes to voting yet you want to mansplain it to me. You are insufferable lol. I wish men like you who think that they can just guess the correct thing which shut the f****** when someone who knows what they’re talking about is speaking. I’m not going to reply to you again. 🖕
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Can I pet that dog?