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  • Ahh, lol, sorry for taking so long to understand 😅 guess many misunderstood apple, like I did, or not, at least I think I get it now.

    So, the only difference between copilot and apple is that appleAI has access to the API where app developers decide what is seeable for the AI vs Access to everything one has seen on the screen except DRM stuff

    At apple, as attacker, you would need to get access to that API and you can get all data and at copilot you need access to the Photos

    So the difference why anybody prefer Apples solution, is because their LLM gets butter clean data which is perfectly structured by devs vs at windows, where the LLM has to work with pretty much chaos data

    Where exactly is Apples solution spyware? It is only a process that runs while interacting and processing data. Or is it enough to be proprietary and have access to this data, well then, spotlight is spyware.


  • I understood it like Apple provides a pre trained LLM and it is then trained on device with user data directly resulting in new weights and configuration for each person‘s personal AppleLLM. For me that seems more reasonable that way because the data is way less random but strictly orchestrated by the limitations defined by apple through the API that needs to be used in order to integrate your app with the user’s personal AppleLLM

    And I still agree, the weights and configuration of the AppleLLM is as critical as 100gb screenshots of your windows, but definitely harder to understand if extracted.


  • You have other deamons on your device that have more rights. It doesn’t need rights if it gets packages delivered from apps by the API. Of course a big flaw in apple’s system is, that you don’t exactly know which system app gives what data to your personal appleAI LLM. So long story short, microsoft should have let your personal LMM be trained by the screenshots and don’t let those screenshots be saved to disk, but only temporarily saved in RAM. I bet, that the chips from snapdragon aren’t fast enough to achieve that good enough and this is typical microsoft bruthforce problem solving. Of course, if someone would be able to steal your trained appleAI (like Apple for example) they still can ask anything about you. I don’t know how apple plans to keep your trained LLM save, but that we will see soon I guess. Maybe it is stored in iCloud in order to sync with all devices, which of course could be a problem for many people. I use Arch, btw



  • This is not screenshoting, the picture is already a picture which the AppleAI has access to

    Apple solves it by having the AI deamon running with relatively low rights and analyse stuff directly through a API where apps expose data for it

    This is way less bad than just screenshoting everything and as added bonus, apps can give the AppleAI data not even shown on screen, which is impossible with the Screenshot idea.


  • Petter1@lemm.eetoTechnology@lemmy.worldApple refuses to call Apple Intelligence 'AI'
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    Yes, but apple doesn’t need to screenshot shit, thats the point, they trained their customers to only use apple apps, where they have full control and force developers to use their AI API to stay relevant.

    Microsoft failed to convince user to use microsoft everywhere except with teams and the office suite

    Google has the relevant data of most microsoft user, and screenshoting this (like scraping) would have allowed microsoft to get to that data without paying google for it

    But that is kinda shady and thus not widely accepted.




  • Apple‘s solution does not require 200gb of screenshots where most personal info is visible in plain text… Apple wins here because they have a clear structure in their OS and all important data already in Apple‘s own Apps. And they analyze this stuff already very much as one can see with all the Siri suggestions everywhere since, I don’t know 5 years? microsoft‘s chaos approach in their Windows is now shooting them in their foot real hard.

    I hope, that we can get a open source linuxAI to be run locally, that integrates like AppleAI. Should be better possible since, at least, all apps are installed mostly the same way(s) and are designed to be dependent on each other.