Say there was a mentally disabled human who did not recognize themselves in a mirror. Would it be ethical to jam metal pipes down their throats and force feed them until their livers become diseased? Or cut their throats and tear their livers out? If not, why is it OK to do this to ducks and geese?

Farmed animals are slaves to humans

Black people were once considered animals by slave owners and were given no rights. People who sold slaves were just following the laws of supply and demand too. The market isn’t a great arbiter of morality, there’s plenty of horrible things people will pay for, including the diseased livers of tortured ducks and geese. Doesn’t make the product ethical just because someone will pay for it.

I agree 100% with you killing aquatic life is bad for ecosystems and the animals themselves.

Saying the cows are born to die is arbitrary. There are cultures that consume dogs and cats for food, the same could be said about them.

If a serial killer was impregnating human women and stealing their babies to eat them, the same could be said about the babies the serial killer was eating. That they were just born to die.

Vegans don’t consume any land or marine animals. Veganism is a philosophy concerned with avoiding harm to animals as far as possible and practicable.

It’s not a philosophy of complete non-harm since that isn’t attainable for most people with the social obligations they have.

Cows can live up to 20 years but the average age at slaughter for cows killed for their flesh is about 1.5 years.

Do you understand that poem was written by a vegan who lived over a thousand years ago?

That refutes your claim veganism is a modern moral stance since it’s been practiced over a thousand years. Not just that poet either, look into Jainism.

I do know I’m a modern human. If you’re implying that because I’m a modern vegan, veganism is a modern moral philosophy, that’s like saying a Model T Ford is a modern vehicle if someone today drives one around.

There’s no greater privilege than thinking you’re so important as a human, a sentient beings whole existence is worth less than 15 minutes of your taste pleasure. That’s actual privilege, most vegan staples (lentils, tofu, chickpeas) are cheaper and have more protein than animal products.

I don’t have to win you over. Either you’ll understand not being vegan is abusive to animals or not. I don’t buy your gaslighting that you going vegan is dependent on you liking me or not.

I was not implying the person is a rpist. I was using rpists as an example of why getting sensory pleasure from an act doesn’t make it morally right.

To use a modern, Western, privileged, moral stance on something humans have been doing for millennia is just silly.

You are diseased in understanding and religion.

Come to me, that you may hear something of sound truth.

Do not unjustly eat fish the water has given up,

And do not desire as food the flesh of slaughtered animals,

Or the white milk of mothers who intended its pure draught

for their young, not noble ladies.

And do not grieve the unsuspecting birds by taking eggs;

for injustice is the worst of crimes.

And spare the honey which the bees get industriously

from the flowers of fragrant plants;

For they did not store it that it might belong to others,

Nor did they gather it for bounty and gifts.

I washed my hands of all this; and wish that I

Perceived my way before my hair went gray!

Al-Ma’arri: AD 973 – 1058 A vegan Arab philosopher and poet who lived in what is Syria today

You’re still supporting animal abuse if you’re vegetarian. Dairy and egg industries sexually abuse cows and grind up male chicks. If you care about animals, go vegan.

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That’s a strange definition of love if it involves killing the individual you claim to care about. I don’t think a person can love someone and then kill them unnecessarily. I don’t think the length of time something has been happening makes it morally right or wrong. Slavery and colonization have been going on for long periods of time and most people recognize those might makes right practices as unethical. If there was another species that hunts, kills, and consumes humans, would you be OK being the victim if it was a part of their culture and in their same ecosystem?