This is more like you’re a traffic warden and when people park across the middle of a busy intersection, you do nothing and then claim you don’t want to affect the traffic.

If you’re a teacher and you let the kids play on their phones all year, have you influenced the learning?

Inaction is a choice and has consequences.

Letting guilty insurrectionists run for re-election in clear contravention of the constitution isn’t affecting the election in any way in your view?

Ah, I understand now. Anyway, you’re very welcome.

I think Nottingham, UK has a more sci-fi looking tram, and it too is real: https://ralphhaussler.weebly.com/uploads/2/1/6/9/21696158/dsc00379_orig.jpg

I appreciate it. I think we might be able to agree that the genocide needs to stop immediately, and also that if she wins, Kamala Harris needs to make it an absolute top priority as soon as she gets into the oval office!

It was straight after you seemed to be criticising “vote blue no matter who” and appeared to be equating voting for Harris with voting for Netanyahu, which sounds a lot like advocating not voting for Harris to me. Certainly it’s how a bunch of self-declared “leftists” argue right before they show their true colours and advocate for actions more likely to bring about a Trump win. But no, true, you didn’t actually get that far.

prole clearly had the same impression about where you were coming from with their response. I didn’t push it because you pretty immediately said you would be voting for Harris, but I think I was right to bring a bit of balance, because it all seemed a bit one sided about which candidate supports Netanyahu and the world in general needed reminding that Trump is pretty vocally supportive of the genocide in Gaza.

I take your point, though, because I think I did treat you as if you were advocating for abstention, which you didn’t explicitly do, but to be fair, neither did I explicitly accuse you of it.

I do think we should chalk this one up to us both reading a bit more into what each other were saying than what was actually said. Either way, I apologise for making you feel criticised for things you didn’t say.

So you’re happy to let Donald “finish them” “best king of Israel” “Biden shouldn’t try to hold Netanyahu back, he should do the opposite” Trump lead the western world?!? I think you really need to reexamine the effect of your actions.

I genuinely think I didn’t say anything about you, except when I mistakenly thought you claimed you pretended to advocate for third parties. It’s the advocating for throwing away your vote that I always object to.

So I’m asking where I said something where you felt criticised as secretly pro trump, because unless you advocated that principled folk throw away their vote, I don’t think I did.

Which lies did I tell about you? I really think you’re mixing me up with someone else or something.

Where did you find yourself in what I said?

I’m so sorry, I misread your comment:

You know I’m not one of those people. And yet, since you can’t abide anyone being unhappy about genocide, you keep pretending I am.

I thought you said “I keep pretending I am”.

Well, if you pretend to support Trump winning, maybe don’t take offence when people criticise you for advocating for Trump.

Edit: I misread “you keep pretending” as “I keep pretending”, which completely changed the meaning!

That’s not my narrative AT ALL. My narrative is that the people who argue that caring about Gaza or caring about left wing issues means you should exclude yourself from deciding between Kamala Harris and Donald “best King of Israel” Trump aren’t really left wing or pro Gaza people at all, they’re trumpers trying to suppress left wing votes. Tindiril seemed not to realise they exist, but the rest of the thread has them out in spades. I’ve never taken issue with people hating what’s going on in Gaza and spreading to Lebanon, I just keep pointing out that allowing Trump back in the White House will be worse for Gaza and worse for anything left wing.

The logical error implicit in your question is that allowing Donald “finish them” Trump to win is obviously worse for Gaza, so I don’t believe for a minute that anyone calling for folks to exclude themselves from affecting whether the country gets Trump or Harris in the White House actually cares about Gaza at all, even a little bit.

“He’s doing a good job,” Trump saidabout the Israeli leader. “Biden is trying to hold him back, just so you understand, Biden is more superior to the VP. He’s trying to hold him back, and he probably should be doing the opposite, actually. I’m glad that Netanyahu decided to do what he had to do, but it’s moving along pretty good.”

There are a bunch of “leftists” on lemmy arguing till the cows come home that leftists mustn’t vote for the Democrats on the grounds that Kamala Harris is personally responsible for genocide in Gaza, who are able to both-sides any and every criticism of the Republicans. They advocate not voting and voting third parties, anything, really, as long as anyone with a conscience over Gaza excludes themselves from affecting whether Kamala Harris or Donald Trump becomes president. They argue that losing to the right wingers will push them left, but I think it’ll drag them to the right where the votes are, and that if you withhold your vote when the alternative is someone who promised to be dictator on day one (and more recently says he’ll send the military to deal with “the enemy within”, which is apparently left wing folk), your vote isn’t winnable anyway and you’ve excluded yourself from the very effect on voting you claim to be having, but none of that makes any difference to the people calling themselves leftists who want trump to win.

Ah. Uhhh. Um, can I interest you in, like, a LOT more doughnuts?

Oh, you’re right. Crocs are much, much easier to wash.

See, everyone should plan their sexcapades on lemmy, you get very high quality advice.

Oh, wait, wait, I just thought of something. BRB.

On reflection, I think I’m posting too much in this thread.

I’m not sure what it means. I’ll talk it over with my shrink on Tuesday.

Are you boasting about your phat ass, or is it just such a mighty bubble butt that it would pop anything else that got near it?