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When you are a pastor they let you do it.
I am against animal agriculture for the same reason I am against sexism, racism, ableism, classism and homophobia.
The circumstances of a creatures birth does not dictate what it is “meant for”, every one deserves to live happy, healthily and with dignity, but some simply want to live.
When you are a pastor they let you do it.
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hypocrites who call out others while justifying their own ethical blind spots are typically more interested in self-righteousness than actually improving the world.
Exactly. I agree completely, but scroll up and remember I didn’t call ANYONE out in my original comment. I came to this thread because my perspective was asked for in the title. You came to me with a “but plants” trying to call MY beliefs out. So think whatever you want, but frankly, leave me the hell alone. This isn’t a discussion I asked for, it’s not on topic and you’re not saying anything interesting.
If you can argue that the line is between animals and plants, then someone else can argue the line is between animals and humans.
See, this is where you are just throwing your hands up and giving up on an sort of ethics. Because it’s theoretically possible for plants to feel pain then there is no reason to act moral when it comes to animals who we KNOW feel pain.
It’s like saying “porn with adults is harmful, but so is porn with children, who is to say where the line is? It’s an open question that is all perspective, so consume whatever you like”. When we know for a fact that sexual abuse of children causes suffering as opposed to what consenting adults do for a job.
Saying plants feel pain is motivated reasoning to call vegans hypocrites, not to actually produce a better world. I did not message you with my beliefs, you messaged me with whataboutism. 99% of the food humans eat is living in some sense (aside from minerals like salt), yeast in my bread is alive in some sense, but comparing that life to an animal as a reason it may not be matter? That it’s all perspective? Well then why not draw the line around cannibalism of anyone under a certain IQ. If consciousness is such an open question, then who is to say anyone is real except for myself? If I hurt another human, who is to say that they feel at all? It could all be simulation from a certain perspective so who cares?
This sort of “what if” and “it depends” whataboutism doesn’t actually help anyone. I didn’t bring veganism to you, you brought this to me. This is just naval gazing because calling vegan hypocrites makes you more secure in your own choices. You’re not saying anything of value,
No. It’s really not. I know the study you are going to link with the clickbait title that “plants feel pain”, but it’s unscientific garbage.
When you cut a plant, it only reacts with a secretion. That’s not sentience, it has no concept of pain because it literally does not have the required parts to feel it. Pain requires a nerve ending to feel the sensation, a brain to process that sensation in to an threat and a system to connect those two organs. Plants have none of this.
Yes plants release a pheromone when they are cut, but to extrapolate that to pain is a wild leap. If I cut an animal, they bleed, they yell, and they either run away or attack me, they generally do the same for their children. Exactly like humans react when cut. It’s impossible to disprove if plants have some other totally radically different type of intelligence we just don’t understand yet, but there is no evidence to suggest that is the case. I am making my choices based off evidence, not “idk, what if it was true”. It’s the same reason I know the earth is round and not flat, evidence not vibes.
It is intellectually dishonest to say that a potato and a pig perceive the world in the same way.
I don’t eat meat because it causes suffering in another. Plants have no concept of pain without a brain, nervous system or even nerve endings. So to me, the question becomes if the lab grown meat was ever attached to a brain that could feel suffering.
Now as far i understand it, lab grown meat isn’t nessecarily grown in isolation from a cow. But in a solution primarily compromised of blood extracted from living cows. That’s without question better than killing a creature, buuuuuuut we all know that when profits are involved the health of a animal is not prioritized.
So it really depends, while I don’t miss meat, once lab grown becomes widely available I’ll make my choice depending on the exact process of how it reached the grocery store.
“Today, the Court puts bump stocks back in civilian hands. To do so, it casts aside Congress’s definition of ‘machinegun’ and seizes upon one that is inconsistent with the ordinary meaning of the statutory text and unsupported by context or purpose.”
“We conclude that [a] semiautomatic rifle equipped with a bump stock is not a ‘machinegun’ because it does not fire more than one shot ‘by a single function of the trigger"
“When I see a bird that walks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, I call that bird a duck,”
Ignoring reality in favor of weird essentialism to support your base, is like peak conservative. How dumb.
Ticket prices originally used to be fixed by the goverment, which made airlines try to offer the best experince as a way to attract customers. But then lobbyists chanted “deregulation” enough times and airlines could set their own prices. Which of course started a race to the bottom where the way to attract customers was now to slash costs. It’s a big reason how back in the 50s being a commercial airline pilots or flight attendent was prestigious profession, became today where most of a flight crew, pilot included, qualify for SNAP.
Honestly, this is hesrt breaking. Always expected from anyone “converted to straight”. But this guy spent his whole life denying himself and then made his profession pushing and reinforcing that shame on to others. He is absolutely a victim, but I imagine that accepting himself comes with a lot of regrets regarding others the people he… “helped”.
One can only hope he becomes a force for acceptance and self love moving forward. But, I imagine regrets will haunt him for the rest of his days. Poor guy.
I made myself very clear in responses to the original comment what I meant
Come back to this thread in a month and re-read. You were vague on top of vague.
Or… classic arrogance. Everyone else can mishear but impossible for you to misspeak?
You sound like a teenager.
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“Everyone but me was wrong.”
should be able to be called “suspicious”
Its easy to say everyone misunderstood me, but you should look at the common factor in each of those misunderstandings. You can think you communicated perfectly, but if the net effect is so many people didn’t understand you, then perhaps it’s time to consider more precise word choice instead of vague thinks like “suspicious”.
Jesus. You should’ve just said that from the start. Maybe he is, who knows.
But look at the mass downvotes and negative responses to your original comment. You need to understand that conspiracy nuts think everything is suspicious and part of whatever grand master plan they believe in. So when you talk like a nut, people assume you are one and treat you as such.
I’m saying I doubt it was an “accident.”
That is literally the definition of a conspiracy.
Then what exactly is suspicious?!?
Lol wut? You’re the one claiming something suspicious happened in this extremely boring non lethal non interesting event that happens every minute of every day, but now I’M the consisparcy blog nut?
There is no consisparcy here! You are making so many wild jumps here. I was laughing at you with those 3 “”“theories”“”.
Man with brain injury who recently had been publicly eviscerated for a rightward swing maybe is a little bit careless when driving
Yeah? And? There are accidents all the time.
Yeah it’s suspicious.
Total non sequiter.
Just come out and say what you think is going on. Was this some convulated failed assassination? Was he trying to murder suicide? Did the deepstate cut his brakes because he told Bill Maher too much?!
Justice from the law usually, but not always, has one person thinking that their sentance was a miscarriage of justice.
So good. Cry Alex. Cry a fucking lot.
Well, it depends.
If you’re a non-binary person, we’ll eliminate the non and that’s any binary trans or cis person.
If you are genderfluid person, then I suppose it would be gendersolid? So probably any cis person?
If you’re an agender person, then your opposite would obviously be pangender , you can be a lack to their all.
And if you are simply a person, well then that would be xenogender!
Or vice versa! ♥ 💕
You ever get so drunk that you decide to kill some kids? No? Because that’s not a thing. Hate is an American tradition, fuck everything about this lady.