“But the Trumpian part is that even though, or perhaps because, it may be part of a Trump scam, Knight now too may be on the hook for $175 million as it won’t automatically get out from underneath its own proffered surety.”

Hankey, a billionaire, has already said that his company will be able to post the money for Trump.

He was reacting to a comment on X by lawyer Dave Kingman, who wrote that Knight will not be able to post the $175 million.

“Understand that Knight Specialty has a problem. This bond cannot be approved. Under the CPLR [Civil Practice Laws and Rules] the surety will remain obligated under the bond until a replacement bond is filed. Trump is unlikely to get a replacement bond. Knight Spec will be liable AND Trump won’t have a stay [on enforcement],” he wrote.

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    Why does this guy get to run for president when he appears to have committed millions of dollars in fraud? Shouldn’t that be jail time for anyone else?

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        Obama really did open the floodgates on all the racists. I guess I was really naive, but I had no idea there were so many racist everywhere.

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          As a white guy with a beard in a blue collar industry, I’m shocked at what strangers will just assume I’m cool with hearing out of their mouths. They truly have no shame anymore. It’s fucking wild.

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            Add tattoos. Yea. People are awful. “I like Alex Jones”. I have never wanted to punch a coworker so much in my life.

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              The way I respond is always ‘neutral’ but calling them what they are. So for Alex Jones I might say ‘oh the dude who lied about dead kids?’ the key is to sound neutral and then just disengage if they try to start a conversation about it. ‘yea I don’t care dude’.

              ‘tate? The rapist and woman beater? OK.’ just disengage on that topic. Make it see like you’re stating a fact, because you are and there’s no room for them to argue or engage.

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                For real. It’s like they completely don’t get that it sounds so bad when you just stick to the facts.

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                  Yeah: “Isn’t he the guy who [insert atrocious fact or quote from whichever asshole here]” either gets them confused, usually resulting in a “but Hunter’s laptop” response, no matter the topic. Or they quiet down and move on in my experience.

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            My colleagues and I are all mechanical or industrial engineers. We travel around the country to project sites. I’ll be on a job site and hear all the trades guys saying the most vile shit. And be completely shocked I tell them to knock it off or I’ll tell the general contractor to get someone else out.

            The part that pisses me off the most though is how often they’re union members.

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          We never had a reckoning for slavery, for segregation, redlining, employment discrimination. Or any of the thousands of other racist touchstones of our country. In fact, far too many Americans still blame the victims and their descendants for the struggles they still experience. Too many Americans blame their own struggles on the victims as well. Obama opened no floodgates. These people were always wildly racist. They’d just not had such an opportunity to so vocally and visually demonstrate it.

          My ignorance of just how much it permeated my childhood and young adult years was terrifying. Even colloquial phrases and sayings picked up in my youth were coded with racism. And with how little we promote understanding and learning. It’s easy to see how so many getting called out for it rather than stopping to learn. Just push back and double down self-righteously. America is a wildly racist country, and always has been.

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          My favorite is when racists say “We’ve had a black president so we can’t be a nation of racists.”

          Like…somehow having a black president now makes it okay for all of the shit conservatives want to do.

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            They did it on CNN. I remember some Republican prick saying, “you know why we’re not racist? Obama.”

            It just so happened that the racists got outvoted. Their party really seized upon being racists though.

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          This all goes back to those neighborhood apps where everyone was openly racist. All around the time of BLM. Download anyone of them today to find out how racist your neighbors are.

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        Yeah but come on. He wore a tan suit once. What did you expect? It’s like we were asking for this.

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        This is what I come back to. The right’s crazy was in check somewhat beforehand, but when Obama won it went off the cliff.

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          Remember when Bush was, what we thought, the lowest we could go? Dude is loveable by current standards.

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      Weirdly, it wasn’t a criminal case, purely civil. The criminal side of the case was against the Trump organization and he had a fall guy for that:

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/allen-weisselberg-sentencing-trump-organization/index.html

      He served 3 months.

      https://apnews.com/article/trump-weisselberg-jail-tax-evasion-6b4e0bbad6d9c92d792cbbcb785882af

      But they just hit him again:

      https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-weisselberg-perjury-0101a9972cefd1e1fb4ba6d36e69fecb

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        I understand the idea was that they can score easily on the civil suit and a criminal complaint is still possible.

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      To actually give an answer, it’s because the Constitution very deliberately does not allow criminal convictions to disqualify someone. This was done because it was, and in plenty of places still is, common practice for a government to simply make up charges and arrest any opposition, thus disqualifying them from running.

      You always have to look at this kind of stuff from the other side. Would you really want a Trump to be able to disqualify an opposing candidate for running a red light once twenty years ago?

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        I think it’s good that Trump can technically run - but it’s fucking embarrassing that he’s managed to retain so much support.

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        Correct, but I think it’s important to add that this is showing that the other systems of checks and balances that were supposed to be in place for frivolous crimes drummed up in the scenarios you’re mentioning, are supposed to stop someone like trump from running.

        Specifically the RNC and the Electoral college. Both of which have miserably failed in their jobs to prevent a dictator from taking power in the united states. As did our legislative side, fail to convict him on 2 airtight impeachment cases.

        This is because the smaller half of our government (republicans), have completely sold out to trump, and there’s no turning back from them. They’re going to ride this ship into the ground.

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          You’re correct, but the fundamental blame for that does lie with the voters, at the end of the day. No amount of structural protections can protect democracy from voters that do not care about it. At that point, they’re just ink on a page.

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            Agreed.

            Which is why voting is so incredibly difficult to do for the people who are the most exploited and marginalized in this country.

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      Why does this guy get to run for president when he appears to have committed millions of dollars in fraud? Shouldn’t that be jail time for anyone else?

      Because he was found guilty in a civil trial and not a criminal one. Think of OJ, convicted of civil wrongful death but not murder in a criminal court. Lose money, but don’t go to jail.

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        Why is fraud against the state considered civil? It seems to be a crime for everyone else

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          Not sure what answer you’re looking for, but because the attorney general brought a civil case. Perhaps they couldn’t prove criminal fraud, since criminal trials have a higher burden of proof. Perhaps they could satisfy certain elements of criminal fraud, but not all of them. Perhaps they could demonstrate that the actions (actus reus) took place but not the intent (mens rea) required. These would all be questions for the NY AG.