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Stop funding Israel’s genocide seems like an easy sensible option. That’s kinda straightforward
But…. But, we can’t do that!
it’s a antisemitic to not fund genocide! The genocidal maniac said so.
He’s in a lose/lose situation now.
He can keep supporting Israel and lose the support of the younger voters he so desperately needs.
OR:
He can reverse course, let Bibi twist in the wind, causing him to lose all support from the pro-Israel lobby, and be met with “yeah, but you didn’t do it soon enough” from the younger voters.
Third option is: you’re misusing our armaments, and we won’t give you more.
That would run him afoul of the pro-Israel lobby and nobody can afford to do that.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/background?cycle=2024&ind=Q05
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
They can. Satisfies both sides. Why do you think they’re also opening up borders to refugees? It’s so dumb and insane, but seems to be the path.
There’s a big difference between fully sanctioning israel or providing any form of pushback
I’m pretty sure the youth is more receptive to not funding genocide with tax dollars than you make it out to seem
They aren’t though. See the complaints about the economy. The youth vote is very vocal, but they don’t have the money to make up for lost donations from the Pro-Israel PAC.
It’s this mentality that will give the US another Trump presidency. If you are worried about losing money from a Pro-Israel PAC because you won’t stop aiding an active genocide, you aren’t fit to make decisions for a major country. Not aiding genocide is kinda important. And yes, the economy sucks for students and the working class. That’s why they don’t want to send bombs (with their tax dollars) to Israel, when the people here need the funding more.
I’m sorry you find political facts inconvenient.
Here’s what the students and pro-Palestinian movements are up against:
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus?ind=Q05
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=Q05&recipdetail=S
There simply is no equivalent on the other side, so instead we get:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/pro-israel-money-progressives-congress-challenges
and:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/22/aipac-pro-israel-lobby-group-us-elections
The students can barely live, they can’t afford to contribute at this level.
So, yeah, despite all of Israel’s bad behavior, going back decades now, US support will continue going to them, because politicians can’t afford otherwise.
That sounds like something a PAC would say lol. Self-fulfilling prophecies
Well, when the students are actively complaining about not being able to afford rent or food, that’s the big indicator that they don’t have money for political donations:
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/16/food-insecurity-us-college-students
Now, I’m not saying you HAVE to donate to get politicians to do the right thing… but, yeah, you kinda do.
Well it sounds like the current government is not providing a path forward for them to support themselves, so I hope it doesn’t come as a surprise when they don’t come out to support the current government. Especially one that is involved in active genocide and shutting down their peaceful protests.
I agree that you cannot dispute the power PACs and the Pro-Israel lobby has. It is unfortunate that money runs the US government. It is even more unfortunate that people apologize for it
They aren’t though. See the complaints about the economy.
We should keep supporting genocide because gaslighting the poor hasn’t worked?
Supporting Biden isn’t supporting genocide, that’s a false argument.
Biden is supporting Israel because that’s where the PAC money is and poor college students can’t make up that difference.
Man, the absolutist crowd is out in force today.
- I don’t “support” Biden, but there is a 100% chance I will be voting for him in November, simply due to the vagaries of the American electoral system.
- not voting for Biden is leaning in to the electoral system being intentionally skewed to the right through various sketchy tactics
- not combating that rightward skew will likely lead to Trump winning the election
- trump winning the election will likely lead to Trump doing something absolutely heinous in naked support of Israel’s genocidal actions, like carpet bombing parts of Gaza with a few squadrons of B-52s like it was the Vietnam War (amongst a shitload of other terrible things both related to Israel and not)
As always, context kinda fucking matters a lot.
Edit: all that said: I’m pretty sure the downvotes are due to how dismissive you are being of “poor college students”
Let me ask you a hypothetical, given the choice between continuing to ship weapons to Israel or Biden winning the 2024 election which would you choose?
I’m sorry, no, that’s an absolutely idiotically framed question, to the extent that I’m quite confident you’re just trying to push agitprop.
To be clear:
- Biden winning might eventually decrease or cut off weapon shipments to Israel, because though it’s often glacial, Biden DOES sometimes react to public sentiment (though often it’s politically delayed/timed, which is infuriating for people waiting for The Appointed Time where the announcement of some policy will have the greatest political impact)
- Trump winning will likely mean that the USAF may be ordered to just help Israel carpet bomb Gaza into dust with a few squadrons of B-52s.
You’re presenting a dichotomy where there is none.
Edit:
Ok, let’s try this another way: which of the two presidential candidates that are advancing to the general election do you believe will actually stop shipping weapons to Israel, or at least has the possibility of being convinced of stopping the shipments?
I’ll give you a hint: it’s not Trump.
You can demonize the current president over one issue that is overseas, or you can not vote or vote for the other guy who will not accomplish anything but Israel support and worse.
Weigh what has been accomplished vs your issue vs the alternatives and vote accordingly.
So that’s American tax dollars that could go to funding things that actually impact Americans directly.
Maintaining peace in the Middle East is important- and the one of the most egregious arguments before all this happened is to provide leverage to keep Israel…. From doing … this.
The reality is that argument is a lie. The war in gaza has set back the goal of peace in the Middle East by decades. Maybe even centuries, while bringing us inexorably closer to WW3.
If Biden reverse course now… he has a chance. If he stays the angry old Zionist, though… he’s going to lose in November.
You could vote for the guy who thinks WiFi gives you leaky brain and vaccines open portals to hell instead. That’d show everyone!
If only we had some clue as to how the other guy would handle the protests… oh yeah, we kind of do:
Peaceful Protesters Tear-Gassed To Clear Way For Trump Church Photo-Op
Trump threatens military force against protesters nationwide
Someone tell Biden there is actually a really easy solution.
Stop arms exports to israel.
Jesus tapdancing christ there’s a TRIVIAL fucking solution right the fuck in front of us. Stop giving explodey shit to the people committing genocide, and also stop giving them any diplomatic cover whatsoever.
