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Here’s an easy decision… stop blocking the international community from pursuing diplomatic and economic remedies that would pressure Isreal to not commit genocide. Stop supplying military aide (potentially excepting the specialized hardware to maintain the iron dome).
Sounds like a pretty fucking easy solution…
Sounds like the Biden administration is taking a needlessly hard path just to appease AIPAC and similar foreign actors.
It’s important not to fall into a purely majority rule situation, but the Jewish community in America is divided on this matter… we can’t let the minority of a minority that’s in favor of this genocide steer international policy.
The entire bottom paragraph of what you said is entirely wrong. I support Palestine and stopping Israel, but a majority of Jewish people (62%) in the US are fine with the war and the direction it’s going in. As are most Americans. Your point of not having majority rule is true to some extent, but it’s hard to argue that while also knowing that not respecting Majority rule is how we got the first trump administration… Data
As are most Americans.
There are more non-Jewish Americans in support of Israel. Due to party loyalty and skewed right-wing media, 41% of Republicans think Israel is doing a good job and 24% think they should kill more Palestinians.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1
As are most Americans.
Weird to correct someone and then just add in an extra bonus fact that’s wrong. Unless you’re claiming “not sure” is “fine with”, which it isn’t. “Fine with” is “acceptable”.
About four-in-ten U.S. adults (38%) say Israel’s conduct of the war has been acceptable, and 34% say it has been unacceptable. The remaining 26% are unsure.
And more importantly, these aren’t random samples of the population. Dem/Lean Dem respondents said Israel’s conduct is unacceptable by 52-22.
It’s a bit more complicated I think and the polling is pretty close. Here’s a survey from about a month ago that puts the divide closer to 50/50. I suppose a better way to word my last paragraph is either “half a minority” or “a portion of a minority”.
I did want to highlight the Jewish community’s opinion though because I think the division there is extremely telling - and because I know the evangelical community is all in on genocide but, imo: they’re a bunch of fucking idiots, I don’t care what they think, and their opinions are irrelevant to politics because most of them will vote for Trump come hell or high water.
It’s not Jews, it’s Republicans that you need to look at. The US sees Israel as an investment first, a military base second, and a sovereign nation third.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-poll-biden-war-gaza-4159b28d313c6c37abdb7f14162bcdd1
I don’t disagree - but in terms of this election everyone who considers themselves a Trump republican is unswayable… but there are a lot of folks outraged at Netanyahu who may refuse to vote at all.
People supporting genocide doesn’t make it okay.
That would require admitting that they were wrong. Which I admit is hard, but come on, man.
How is that easy?
Biden has to support Israel. It’s a centerpiece of us foreign policy for a reason; they want a friend in the region, and there is huge support from his constituents. It’s basically politically impossible to say no.
We don’t need Isreal as a strategic partner - we’re on good terms with the UAE, Jordan, Egypt and Saudi Arabia and generally good terms with Turkey, Oman and Iraq - Isreal isn’t foundational to American security, America is foundational to Isreali security.
You say that, but americas actions paint a totally diffedifferent picture. They are joined at the hip with Israel and that isn’t going to change easily.
That isn’t for strategic reasons though… it’s because most Americans want a peaceful Isreal to exist (partially because the holocaust was awful, partially because we’ve got a large jewish population, partially because we like underdogs and partially because racism) and the fact that Isreal is inciting violence is just now reaching some people. I think public opinion is moving hard away from Isreal but, historically, most Americans supported giving them outrageous levels of aide.
Nobody needs a friend so badly that they’re justified in making friends with a genocidal maniac. I understand that Israel has been a long-term investment, but the amount of human suffering going on right now vastly outweighs any lamentations about sunk cost. What this country needs is a president willing to show that he cares about preventing suffering above all else. Doctors take an oath to both do good and do no harm - it’s time for our presidents to do the same, and be held to it to the same degree.
They’re cracking down harder on these protesters than the January 6th insurrectionists lol.
Trump refused to send people to crack down on the January 6th insurrectionists.
Also, pretty hard to say that when one didn’t last a day and resulted in criminal accusations, the other has been going on for over a week and, as far as I know, has seen no one being criminally accused.
People are being charged with assault, hate speech, trespass and resisting arrest.
All of which are criminal charges.
In all fairness, they don’t have the president’s encouragement.
Trump was in charge on J6. The failure to crack down then, is in part due to Trump intentionally not cracking down. I would compare this to the heavy handed crackdown on the DC Black Lives Matter protesters. You know, the one where he heals a Bible upside down. That was a violent crackdown on mostly peaceful protestors.
Fair points.
Side note just in case it saves you from a gotcha in arguing with a Maga nutjob, but Trump didn’t hold the Bible upside down that day, per NYT, Politifact, and other fact checkers. He’s still a useless piece of shit.
Stop aiding Israel’s genocide doesn’t seem too difficult, but I’m not a Zionist.
Supporting genocide or not supporting genocide. Gee, what a tough choice.
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Study a little US history and you’ll find we’ve struggled with that question pretty much since the nation’s founding.
It’s not been much of a struggle. We’ve almost always been solidly in favor
small pox blankets have entered the chat
Isn’t it obvious, Joe?
“While I condemn Hamas, and supported Israel’s right to defend itself in the aftermath of the attacks, the use of force in reprisal has become excessive - beyond what is justified or acceptable. So effective immediately, I’m halting all arms shipments to Israel, and calling on President Netanyahu to withdraw IDF troops from Gaza and the West Bank.”
Problem solved.
Mossad has entered the chat.
He’s got a super easy solution:
“Sorry Israel, but you fucked up royally! We’re suspending all aid; recognizing the state of Palestine as an independent nation, and will begin the process of rebuilding Gaza and reappropriating all of your illegal settlements on their land.”
Simple!
“Okay. We’re joining BRICS. Mr. Putin loves genocide, and he’s really going to love all this American tech we can show him.”
Simple indeed.
US sells/provides/uses so many armaments around the world that it’s laughable to think Russia doesn’t already have their hands on at least a vast chunk of our “tech”. Surely trying to reverse-engineer what they can, as I’m sure any
Usually it’s the manufacture process of tech that is the “secret sauce”.
Man facing pressure from swarm of angry hornets can see no possible way to soothe the increasingly enraged colony as he continues to hit nest with stick
US politicians are bought by the israeli lobby. We need to crack down on corruption in the most extreme way.
Wow CNN. Tone deaf much?
CNN is DNC propaganda just like Fox news is RNC propaganda.
No it isn’t.
Presenting independently verifiable facts in a way that bolsters your perspective is not the same as making up stories and using entirely false data to incite your listeners.
I bet fox news watchers say the exact same thing.
Not the ones I’ve spoken to.
Conservatives won’t usually meet a challenging topic head on, they try to avoid and misdirect from rather than address an issue.
It boils down to a fundamental difference in perspective and ultimately behavior.
When conservatives are presented with information, even completely made up stories, that agree with their preconceived notions, they accept the story regardless of the logic or substance of the story. Once information that disagrees with their preconceived notions arises, they reject the story regardless of the logic or substance because it isn’t something they’ve learned before.
When liberals are presented with information, they accept or reject the story based on the available substantiated information and how it fits into what they have learned so far.
This is the process behind what fundamentally makes a “conservative” and a “liberal”.
Conservatives are inherently afraid of challenges to their worldview and as a result, resist change simply for the sake of protecting themselves as long as possible.
Liberals are also inherently afraid of challenges to their worldview, but persist in discovering the truth and apply what they’ve learned to their behavior because of the benefits that context, understanding and new knowledge might bring about.
Jesus dude… do you hear yourself?
Figuratively?
It’s not his to seek.
Four colleges simply met with their protestors, came to an agreement to not invest in companies supporting the war, and publicly call for peaceful resolution.
Why is it so damn hard for all the other ones?
came to an agreement to not invest in companies supporting the war
No, they came to an agreement to listen to a proposal to maybe not invest in those companies.
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