• nebula42@lemmy.zip
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    2 months ago

    atp i don’t even know if i’ve been masking so long I don’t know what it’s like with it off or if i haven’t even bothered masking at all.

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    I was in like third grade when I was assigned to write a short essay comparing two pieces of writing and exposing a common theme. I chose The Mask, by Shel Silverstein, and Richard Cory, by Edward Arlington Robinson. My paper was titled, Does Richard Cory Wear The Mask. At the time I had not yet realized that feeling this way was uncommon, and it was strange to me that none of my classmates seemed to understand what I saw as a fundamental point of existence.

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      I don’t mean this to be offensive but holy shit is that advanced for third grade. I would would expect that to be like high school work. I think in my third grade we were doing stuff like “who discovered America?” and how to read a analog clock.

      If you could analyze Shel Silverstein, or even knew who that was, in third grade you would of been light years ahead of me in third grade or most of my classmates.

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        Yeah, nobody else understood it in the slightest. I loved to read, and was already consuming highschool level novels in mid elementary. My aunt gave me two or three Shel Silverstein books, I’m not sure where I came across the poem Richard Cory.

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    The thing I don’t get about masking is how it’s any different from standard mental filtering most people do in casual and professional social settings.

    If I acted however I wanted whenever I wanted I wouldnt have many friends, let alone stay employable.

    Coincidentally, I have many autistic friends, who have explained the concept to me before - I still don’t really get it, but I don’t need to understand it to still respect my friends.

    But internally, it just sounds like complaining. Idk. If anyone has a decent explanation I’d be interested.

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      The thing is the degree to which you have to mask. Human communication is full of aspects that are interpreted, performed and learned in an instinctive way, such as how often you should be looking at someone in the eyes, for how long, which expression should you have while doing so, and so on, just to pick a very narrow category.

      Because the brains of people in the spectrum have some differences, the “correct” instinctive way of doing those things is almost usually different, some people whose brains think that isn’t the correct way of performing non-verbal communication will react negatively, sometimes without being capable of explaining why, and will instead retort to vague attacks such as “XYZ is such a weirdo/gives me bad vibes/is a creep”, even when they aren’t really doing anything wrong.

      You may have heard or read of the “doesn’t make eye-to-eye contact” pointer to diagnose autism. That is true of a subset of autistic people, there are other autistic people whose natural prefered amount of eye contact is different than the norm, and there are plenty who perform the socially acceptable amount of eye contact because they’re masking, even though it feels unnatural, or feels annoying, or forced, or is even energy-consuming. Now consider the same for voice tone, sarcasm, gender roles in communication, hand gestures (depending on the country), how much it is socially acceptable to discuss your interests specifically, and so on, and so on, which are often also rules that aren’t laid out with precision, because NTs don’t need them to be laid out with precision. There’s a dual problem in that you’re both constantly forcing yourself to perform in a way that feels unnatural, and that you have to consciously seek out for signs that they’re being interpreted the correct way, because otherwise NTs aren’t going to tell you, and all of that is taking energy out of you.

      As personal anecdotes. I didn’t know how to mask in my early teens, and consequently, I was often left out at best, when not mocked or ridiculed, in physical social settings, while online I had no issues whatsoever to make friends even though I was annoyingly smug (people will be far more willing to overlook your bad traits if you’re capable of correctly performing that you’re part of the in-group). Nowadays, if I’m in a place far away from my birth region, I don’t have to mask too much because people will usually assume that my “weird” traits are just a cultural thing.

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      Watching what you say and what you do isn’t masking. Watching what you are is masking. You don’t just filter out, you have to emote entire emotions that you’d express entirely differently because other people are disturbed by your normal expression of XYZ feeling.

      It comes from years of being double punished when something bad happens because our remorse facial expression doesn’t match what they think remorse is supposed to look like so they don’t see any. And sometimes those.punishments are just for expressing something else in the non standard way.

      I mean sure filtering topics is part of it, and it often involves filtering very pertinent topics. For example if something is really bothering you to the point of physical pain, but it isn’t supposed to be bothering you, that is the topic you then have to filter. And you have to physically replace your expressions of pain with whatever emotion you are supposed to be feeling. Of course you don’t replace your pain with the way youd express the emotion you’re supposed to be feeling. You replace the pain with how they wish you’d express the emotion they wish you’d be feeling.

      Masking is gaslighting your entire body and brain out of every big and small action and reaction until whoever it is you really are is difficult to even retrieve.

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      I guess masking to some degree is normal. Everybody plays a role all the time. It’s just how much your role deviates from your "true self"that varies.

      Usually and hopefully you can be closer to yourself among friends than when dealing with colleagues or customers in professional settings.

      But I’m guessing as well, I’m also not sure if there’s a bigger difference in meaning to this community here.

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      Do you think this is some kind of competition? X people aren’t allowed to complain because Y people have it harder? Get over yourself

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        Masking is a part of trans communities, but they don’t realize it’s a part of other communities, too. Anyone who’s marginalized by society is forced to mask.

        I think it’s fairly obvious what masking has to do with trans people, I just don’t understand the vitriol.

        Trans people are forced to keep their heads down while going to their non-preferred restroom. Many trans people go to church and pass; they are afraid to tell those around them about their identity.

        Again, we should all combine as minorities to defend ourselves and avoid infighting for no reason.

        Edit: Sorry for too many “theys.” I’m just keeping it gender neutral. I’m referring to an individual.

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        I do lalso question the “for my safety” part too, but that’s probably because I just don’t get it.

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      Trans people have nothing to do with this specific instance. Wtf? People are only allowed to mask for themselves only if they’re Trans? So because Trans individuals struggle, people with autism can’t also struggle?

      Dirty edit: there’s a lot of things the Trans community can and should be outraged over. However, autism is not one of those things, unless you have it as well. Back off.

    • WalrusDragonOnABike [they/them]@lemmy.today
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      Thought it seemed a bit exaggeratory, but given bullying (including physical bullying) is a thing people experience for being socially awkward, it may not be an exaggeration for some. I wasn’t aware a the difference between masking neurodivergence or gender as a child or a young adult: I just subconsciously learned to behave in accordance to others expectations and keep quiet about some things.