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Genocide, whaddaya gunna do. Your tax dollars at work.
Trump would have sent $2 billion, just sayin’ /s
Yeah well uh, Trump would’ve sent 1.2bn
Don’t you know Trump is gonna genocide harder? Some shitlib told me yesterday trump will conduct a real genocide, as if the one happening in front of our eyes is fake
Are you talking about the Trump that won’t quit talking about how antisemitic Biden has been in the Gaza genocide?
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/09/us/politics/trump-biden-jews.html
Imagine seeing someone yell at a rapist in the middle of raping that they aren’t raping viciously enough and then thinking that it would be good to send that guy in there instead. I agree, no rape would be best, but I’m pretty sure the victim in this case would prefer the current rapist over the one complaining about how the current rapist is being offensively gentle.
Beyond your disgusting analogy, if you think Palestinians give a shit who sends the bombs to Israel that are going to kill them you’re not living in reality.
Tell me you’re voting for Biden on domestic policy grounds, and I’ll agree with you because that’s my plan, but stop dressing this up as anything that’s not as bad as it could be
Do you realize that if today the casualties on both sides of Gaza and isreal since October happened again, and then every day that many more is added, let’s say 40,000 per day. If we continue doing that every single day, we wouldn’t reach the world war 2 casualties until 2027. So yes, things can, and have very recently been much worse.
Biden is a bastard, he is blowing up gazan children daily, and I hope the universe makes a special exception for him and creates a biblical hell. Trump calls this “level of restraint” antisemitic. Trump is in extreme debt, angry as hell, and he has a bunch of racist anti-muslim fanatics he’s trying to please. He can absolutely make things worse.
I’m talking about the people that passed a resolution proclaiming opposition to Zionism is antisemitic. I’m talking about the people using police across the country to silence opposition to Zionism and genocide. I’m talking about the people that’s taken millions of AIPAC money to carry out the demands of Zionists.
I was referring to the part of your comment where you said “Trump.” You’re gonna have to use gpt to explain my comment to you in a way that you are able to wrap your head around. Just tell it to break it down step by step and explain it to like you’re a 5 year old with their fingers in their ears yelling “blah blah blah, i can’t heeeaaaar youuuuu”.
In typical fashion, a liberal infantilizes people they disagree with because they have no other argument to stand on
You talked about Trump.
I responded that your take on Trump made no sense.
You oddly tried to pretend you were not talking about Trump.
I pointed out that you were talking about Trump.
I have made my point clearly. I’m sorry if making it so clear hurt your feelings, but the choice is between speaking on a low level or having things go over your head like they did. This is a you issue. If you don’t want people to speak down to you, then demonstrate some reading comprehension.
Also, I’m not liberal, I’m politically non-binary.
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If you’re going to define your movement as anti-genocidal you should really have a firm grasp on what genocide is and who is committing it:
Article II of the Convention defines genocide as:
… any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:- (a) Killing members of the group;
- (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
- © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
- (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
- (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Hamas, what Israel has been clear they intend to destroy, is not a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. However, Jews/Israel/Israelis, what Hamas has been clear they intend to destroy, are. Therefore, legally Oct 7 was an act of genocide, and Israel’s war on Hamas is not. Such a designation has nothing to do with body count.
I support Israel because I oppose the genocidal. Binding their hands and preventing them from retaliating in self-defense only serves to support genocidal Hamas by keeping them in power.
“Look at me displacing almost 2 million people and bombing their homes and cities whole to the ground one by one. It’s not a genocide though, because I haven’t explicitely claimed that my goal is to commit a genocide.”
The thing is, Israel’s leaders have expressed genocidal intent over and over again. Just read South Africa’s allegations at the ICJ. They have the receipts.
If so then the wars in Korea, Vietnam, and Chechnya were all genocides.
When entire civilian populations are bombed or starved, then yes. The US is not free of war crimes. They’re merely immune from the consequences.
Not just the US. Chechnya was invaded by Russia. German civilians were bombed by the UK and USSR.
In fact, it’s hard to find a large-scale modern war that didn’t cause thousands of civilian casualties.
Absolutely, there were millions of civilian casualties in WWII. The difference here is that there have been, according to Israel, only 273 soldiers killed in ground operation combat vs the 13,000 civilians killed on Gaza’s side. (According to the new, lower estimates.) This is not so much a war as a one-sided beatdown.
Now you’re getting it
“Genocide” is just another word for “war”?
When it’s targeted at a specific group of people and there’s such a dramatic power imbalance, yes. Whether modern definitions agree or not.
It’s almost as if words mean things and have specific definitions, especially legal ones. Feel free to criticize such behaviors with different accurate words for things you don’t like.
On the other hand, genocide was committed in October, when Hamas brutally attacked the Jewish state, murdering an estimated 1,200 people, Schiff said.
…and the article lost credibility. If what Israel is doing isn’t genocide, then what Hamas did can’t be genocide.
Looked up the people quoted in the article. Rabbi Danny Schiff is an ethics lawyer from Pittsburgh, not a genocide scholar. Avi Ben-Hur, who is more qualified to speak on this said:
“We have a monster on our doorstep,” he said. “We were caught asleep. We had horrible things done to us. It’s not a question of payback. We have to retrieve our safety and security so people can go back to their homes and live their lives like normal people. We have to degrade the monster’s offensive capabilities so this can’t happen again.” source.
Calling them “monsters,” and dehumanizing people, doesn’t gain my trust.
If someone punches you to death, declaring they weren’t trying to kill you doesn’t make them any less guilty of murder.
If someone punches you to death, declaring they weren’t trying to kill you doesn’t make them any less guilty of murder.
Actually, in the US it could. Intent is the difference between murder and manslaughter.
Curious how you moved the goal posts from “not openly stating one’s intent” which was used as justification to claim what Israel is doing is not a Genocide to “not having intent” which is what defines the difference between murder and manslaught.
People are convicted of murder all the time when they didn’t openly said their intention was murder if it can be shown beyond reasonable doubt that it was their intention.
So the previous poster’s point holds very well and you just further dug the grave on yours.
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You support Israel because you oppose the genocidal.This is one of the most batshit insane things i have read on this site,you really cannot have typed that with a straight face.
Take your hasbara bullshit somewhere else. According to that same organization you took your definition from, an occupying nation like Israel can not claim self defense when attacked
Sorry to invade your echo chamber with dissent. It must pain you to be reminded that not everyone agrees with you, that must be so hard for you.
an occupying nation like Israel can not claim self defense when attacked
Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005. A blockade is not an occupation.
Say what?
New York (20 October 2022) – There are reasonable grounds to conclude that the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory is now unlawful under international law due to its permanence and the Israeli Government’s de-facto annexation policies, according to the first report to the General Assembly issued today by the United Nations Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel.
Oh, I forgor, the United Nations is Hamas now.
Oh, I forgor, the United Nations is Hamas now.
Oh no don’t forgor. They’re not Hamas but they do exhibit significant anti-Israel bias.
Three countries were on said commission of inquiry:
Navi Pillay (South Africa), serves as chair, Miloon Kothari (India) and Chris Sidoti (Australia) serve as members of the commission
Many more opposed their methods and conclusions:
June 2023, United States and Israel joined 25 countries in condemning the open-ended nature of the UN investigation and “the long-standing disproportionate attention given to Israel in the council.”
But that’s the UN for you, lots of scrutiny and condemnation of Israel, not a peep when Jews are ethnically cleansed from neighboring countries.
Now the whole world is Hamas? Is reality Hamas too?
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The package can be blocked by Congress if a majority in both chambers object.
Reminder that Biden has already went around Congress this year to send weapons to Israel.
Checks and balances only matter when it can be used to stop things voters want for some reason.
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In fact, the GOP Congress was going to push Biden to send this stuff if he didn’t relent: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-gop-pushes-bill-to-force-biden-to-continue-transfer-of-weapons-to-israel/ar-BB1mq29M?ocid=nl_article_link
Biden’s trying to win over some undecided right leaning voters with this whole $1B deal and it’s sickening to his own party.
Fuck Trump, fuck Biden, and fuck Netanyahu. And while we’re at it, fuck Putin and fuck Xi. Not a lot of decent people at the top these days.
That was always the case. Being at the top pretty much requires being a bastard.
That’s why the best ruler is no ruler.🏴
Waiting for our AI overlord?
No, for horizontal, anarchist mass organization
Anarchy is a great way to get taken over by another country. As far as I know, anyway, maybe I’m missing something.
Historically, anarchists have been very good at organizing effective and well motivated armies. Usually with democratically elected officers. Look up the Black Army of Makhno, CNT-FAI, EZLN and YPG, these are all good examples of anarchist (or anarchist-adjacent) armies.
Statistically and unfortunately however, they have been very bad at not being taken over by non-anarchy eventually. And it’ll likely get worse for a while with robotics.
Source: Look at world map.
Can’t wait for tomorrow’s most upvoted posts on Reddit and Lemmy teaching us how the other clowns from the rival circus are still worse. While condemning the killings of children in Gaza with those weapons sold today.
It’s impossible there was ever a society this manipulated and stupid.
Don’t they have a point though? Your system is broken and the lesser of two evils is all you ever get to pick.
Yeah but when you point that out you’re called a idiot for unintentionally backing Trump. Any criticism of the system or Biden no matter how deserved somehow is support for Trump
The package can be blocked by Congress if a majority in both chambers object.
Now we get to find out how many of our excitingly new progressives know who their representatives are. Or even if they have representatives. If they do, can they work out the seekrit next steps? Only time will tell.
No, it’s actually not true. First-past-the-post voting mathematically tends to result in 2 dominant parties, but there’s no mathematical rule that determines which 2 parties. The first two in American history were the Federalist Party, and the Democratic Republican Party. The duopoly has changed several times over the years, and it could change again if we wanted it. Democratic voters have affirmatively made the choice that supporting genocide is better (read: easier) than trying to shake things up.
You will change the Democrat-Republican duopoly as soon as you convince everyone to stop participating in consumerism (beyond one’s basic needs).
Which is to say: never.
The last time neither a Republican nor a Democrat was President was more than a century ago. Good luck changing the people’s habits as well as the monumental support structures both parties have erected to prevent any third party from gaining traction, ranging from super PACs to literally the entire American news network, including social media.
There’s a large number of Jewish people who are Democrats and politicians are more worried about points than doing the right thing.
FFS. Biden is a complete cunt. Trump GOP is still worse
Wait, you mean to tell me that a bunch of twenty-somethings have figured it all out and everyone else is entirely wrong about everything? Where have this happening before???
Oh yeah… that’s right. Every election cycle.
Nuance is for people who don’t want to be constantly outraged by everything that ever happens.
Headline from two days ago:
‘Total outrage’: White House condemns Israeli settlers’ attack on Gaza aid trucks
My comment on it:
It’s taken them over half a year, but Biden has finally discovered that Israel is committing crimes against humanity. Let’s hope they don’t forget about it the second Netanyahu pretends to be a little bit obedient.
Damn, really speedrunning that disappointment, huh
Lol my comment from last week which got heavily downvoted:
Considering Biden repealed his settler sanctions, I’d actually bet this eventually gets approved after Israel promises to pay shipping fees in exchange for breaking the SLA stating they can’t do a genocide
mfw he doubled down and approved another massive sale on top of the smaller blocked shipment.
Because the GOP Congress was about to go around him if he didn’t. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/house-gop-pushes-bill-to-force-biden-to-continue-transfer-of-weapons-to-israel/ar-BB1mq29M?ocid=nl_article_link
Really wish he’d have grown a spine and stuck to not sending them, let the GOP look bad and don’t abandon your own base. I hate this political environment.
Why does Biden want innocent people dead and why does nobody try to stop him? What has become of humanity? Has everyone gone insane?
Ideology is one hell of a drug
Business and military industrial complex is one hell of a shitshow.
ftfy
Fair. It’s a bit of both.
Damn, Biden doesn’t want to win the election or save democracy
Wot? No more crocodile tears? Fucking hypocritical genocidal cunt
Hes really pulling a Hilary with this shit.
Intentionally throwing away an election he thinks is sure fire win for him, because Trumps the only other option.
The risk isnt people turning to vote for Trump, the risk is people that would have voted for him not voting at all. . Because he’d rather doom a people to extermination than fix his own country.
It was obvious from the start it was political posturing as he had already sent them so much and it wasn’t like they immediately needed it. Just like the port to deliver aid, also posturing to look good.
USA: “It’s good business”
Man Biden is really trying to lose the upcoming election isn’t he. A year ago I would not have predicted that he would fuck up such an easy reelection this badly, but here we are. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory I guess.
Apparently Biden has always been this shitty when it comes to Palestine. Some things children just never grow out of it seems.
Millions of children never grew old because of Kissingers little psychopathic padawans in Washington for decades now. Those children don’t care about this one losing or winning his little beauty contest.
And millions of children will die in the future no matter whose dick is being sucked in the Oval Office. There are more omnipotent deciders who decide who lives and who dies.
This greedy, bloodthirsty, manipulative, sociopathic voting won’t change anything no matter who wins.
Just gonna leave this here
There were other factors at play, too.
Nah this gaslighting is just a weekly occurrence at this point. Biden pretends to wag his finger against israel when they commit war crimes and walks it back a week later. Genocide Joe is fully on board.
💞Joe 💞 Bibi 💞
Fuck Biden!
