or even general framework of what fascism is.

Oh… now we’re no longer talking about “definitions,” are we? We have now shifted to “general frameworks?”

And you accuse me of shifting goalposts?

Despite this, you still expect other people

Yes, liberal - I still expect you to defend your ideology and your ideology’s proximity to fascism.

so that we may actually discuss it.

We are discussing it, liberal - which part of this…

They (liberals) are anxious to ignore the fact that fascism originates from the very violence that is used to enforce the liberal order.

…are you having a hard time understanding? We are discussing the very roots of fascism - which happens to be the very same roots of your precious liberal status quo.

Are you anxious to ignore that too, liberal? For someone that claims to not be “constrained to the ideological boundaries” of liberalism, you sure seem to be acting no different than a bog-standard liberal pearl-clutcher when it comes to confronting the fascism that violently enforces your precious status quo for you.

Do tell, liberal… where were you when antifascists were actually fighting neo-nazis, klan-boys and their pig-friends in the streets a few years ago? Let me guess… heckling the antifascists from the sidelines? Like a good liberal is supposed to?

Will you be doing the same come November?

My assertion here is that there has not been a perfect, equitable society in human history.

Why are you peddling the same pretexts and justifications for fascism that the alt-right peddles?

The ideological gap between you and fascism seems to be shrinking with every exchange.

than throw out the everything and live without society

Soooo… as you have provided zero evidence to prove that your zombie-fiction tropes will come to pass as soon as fascist violence doesn’t enforce your precious liberal order for you, I must assume that you are simply too squeamish to admit your endorsement of said fascist violence (as long as it isn’t aimed at you, of course)

I’d say we’ve come to the point where there is only one thing left to be discerned… why do you even bother hiding it?