Google rolled out AI overviews across the United States this month, exposing its flagship product to the hallucinations of large language models.

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    6 months ago

    No, hallucination is a really good term. It can be super confident and seemingly correct but still completely made up.

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      6 months ago

      It is, but it isnt applicable in at least the glue-pizza situation as the probable source comment has been found on reddit.

      A better use of the term might be how when you try to get Bing’s image creator to make “Battletech” art, you just mostly get really obvious Warhammer 40k Space Marines and occasionally Iron Maiden album art.

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      6 months ago

      for it to “hallucinate” things, it would have to believe in what it’s saying. ai is unable to think - so it cannot hallucinate

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        6 months ago

        Hallucination is a technical term. Nothing to do with thinking. The scientific community could have chosen another term to describe the issue but hallucination explains really well what’s happening.

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          6 months ago

          huh, i kinda assumed it was a term made up/taken by journalists mostly, are there actual research papers on this using that term?

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            6 months ago

            It used to mean all generated output though. Calling only mistakes hallucinations is new, definitely because of hype.

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          6 months ago

          because it’s a text generation machine…? i mean, i wouldn’t say i can prove it, but i don’t think anyone can prove it’s capable of thinking, much less of reasoning

          like, it can string together a coherent sentence thanks to well crafted equations, sure, but i wouldn’t qualify that as “thinking”, though i guess the definition of “thinking” is debatable

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            6 months ago

            It can tell you how to stack things on top of each other the best way to get a high tower. Etc.

            Those are not random sentences. If you can not define thinking in a way this machine fails at, then stop saying it does not think.

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              6 months ago

              A parrot can be trained to tell you how to stack things on top of each other the best way to get a high tower.

              This is just an electronic parrot, millions of times faster to train than the biological parrot, specialized in repetition alone (can’t really do anything else a parrot can) and which has been trained on billions of texts.

              You’re confusing one specific form in which humans externally express cogniscence with the actual cogniscence itself: just because intelligence can produce some forms of textual communication doesn’t mean that the relationship holds in the opposite direction and such forms of textual communication require intelligence, or if you will, just because you can photograph a real pizza to get a picture of a pizza doesn’t mean a picture of a pizza is actually of a real pizza and not something with glue to make it look like it has stringy melted cheese.

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                Again, it is absolutely capable to come up with it’s own logical stuff, hence my example. Stop saying it just copies existing stuff, that is simply wrong.

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                  6 months ago

                  it is absolutely capable to come up with it’s own logical stuff

                  interesting, in my experience, it’s only been good at repeating things, and failing on unexpected inputs - it’s able to answer pretty accurately if a small number is even or odd, but not if it’s a large number, which indicates it’s not reasoning but parroting answers to me

                  do you have example prompts where it showed clear logical reasoning?

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                    6 months ago

                    Examples showing that it comes up with it’s own solutions to an answer? Just ask it something that could not have been on the Internet before. Professor talking about AGI in GPT 4

                    Personal examples would be to code python to solve a 2D thermal heat flux problem given some context and constraints.

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      6 months ago

      It’s a really bad term because it’s usually associated with a mind, and LLMs are nothing of the sort.