I think it’s best that it be illegal so that we can at least have a reactive response to the problem. If someone abuses someone else by creating simulated pornography (by any means), we should have a crime to charge them with.
You can’t target the technology, or stop people from using AI to do perverted things, but if they get caught, we should at least respond to the problem.
I don’t know what a proactive response to this issue looks like. Maybe better public education and a culture that encourages more respect for others?
I think it’s best that it be illegal so that we can at least have a reactive response to the problem. If someone abuses someone else by creating simulated pornography (by any means), we should have a crime to charge them with.
So… Where do you draw the line exactly? Does this include classic photo manipulation too? Written stories (fanfic)? Sketching / doodling of some nude figure with a name pointed towards it? Dirty thoughts that someone has about someone else?
I find this response highly questionable and authoritarian. Calling it abuse is also really trivializing actual abuse, which I, as an abuse victim, find pretty apprehensive. If I could swap what was done to me with someone making porn of “me” and getting their rocks off of that then I’d gladly make that exchange.
I feel I was misconstrued. 1. a law will probably happen, and 2. it will do fuck all because the tool chain and posting/sharing process are going to be completely anonymous.
Yeah, in specific cases where you can determine deepfake revenge porn of Person A was posted by Person B who had an axe to grind, you might get a prosecution. I just don’t think the dudes making porn on their Nvidia GPUs of Gal Godot f*ckin Boba Fett are ever gonna get caught, and the celebrity cat will stay forever out of the bag.
Making things illegal doesn’t solve anything in the WWW, principally cos there isn’t a world’s jurisdiction and cos illegality doesn’t stop criminals, see what happened to the war on drugs… just a big failure.
Maybe attacking the problem from the root like educating people to avoid porn at all could be successful at some point but anyway this it’s definitely another problem of the hiperconsumist capitalist scheme.
Edit: I believe if it were illegal even the price of it will go up so it will be a bigger business at the end of the day.
Making things illegal absolutely stops criminals. It doesn’t stop all criminals, but that’s never been the expectation. If you want to dismiss laws on the basis of not being 100% effective, there’s not a single law you support.
Trying to educate people to avoid all porn sounds even less likely to be successful than trying to ban things on the internet, because you cant simply teach people to not get horny in response to certain visual stimuli, and trying to make people averse to depictions of anything sexual will just lead to a repressed society that still consumes porn but is even more embarrassed to talk about it, which causes more harm than good and still doesnt solve the problem at hand. Its also a misunderstanding of the issue anyway, because the problem isnt porn as a general concept, or even the use of AI to create it, but the creation of some that depicts real people against the wishes of those people, and secondarily the possibility that it could be used to make other people believe the event actually happened due to the ability to create photorealistic images and video.
Would banning it make it go away? No, of course not, but it would make it a bit riskier to make and spread, and that would reduce the number that do it. We already have certain kinds of porn banned due to requiring abuse to create, like CSAM, and while that certainly hasnt made it disappear, its not something one encounters regularly either. An argument of “we shouldnt ban this because bans dont work on the internet” would apply equally to our ban on that material too after all.
I think it’s best that it be illegal so that we can at least have a reactive response to the problem. If someone abuses someone else by creating simulated pornography (by any means), we should have a crime to charge them with.
You can’t target the technology, or stop people from using AI to do perverted things, but if they get caught, we should at least respond to the problem.
I don’t know what a proactive response to this issue looks like. Maybe better public education and a culture that encourages more respect for others?
So… Where do you draw the line exactly? Does this include classic photo manipulation too? Written stories (fanfic)? Sketching / doodling of some nude figure with a name pointed towards it? Dirty thoughts that someone has about someone else? I find this response highly questionable and authoritarian. Calling it abuse is also really trivializing actual abuse, which I, as an abuse victim, find pretty apprehensive. If I could swap what was done to me with someone making porn of “me” and getting their rocks off of that then I’d gladly make that exchange.
I feel I was misconstrued. 1. a law will probably happen, and 2. it will do fuck all because the tool chain and posting/sharing process are going to be completely anonymous.
Yeah, in specific cases where you can determine deepfake revenge porn of Person A was posted by Person B who had an axe to grind, you might get a prosecution. I just don’t think the dudes making porn on their Nvidia GPUs of Gal Godot f*ckin Boba Fett are ever gonna get caught, and the celebrity cat will stay forever out of the bag.
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Making things illegal doesn’t solve anything in the WWW, principally cos there isn’t a world’s jurisdiction and cos illegality doesn’t stop criminals, see what happened to the war on drugs… just a big failure.
Maybe attacking the problem from the root like educating people to avoid porn at all could be successful at some point but anyway this it’s definitely another problem of the hiperconsumist capitalist scheme.
Edit: I believe if it were illegal even the price of it will go up so it will be a bigger business at the end of the day.
Making things illegal absolutely stops criminals. It doesn’t stop all criminals, but that’s never been the expectation. If you want to dismiss laws on the basis of not being 100% effective, there’s not a single law you support.
Trying to educate people to avoid all porn sounds even less likely to be successful than trying to ban things on the internet, because you cant simply teach people to not get horny in response to certain visual stimuli, and trying to make people averse to depictions of anything sexual will just lead to a repressed society that still consumes porn but is even more embarrassed to talk about it, which causes more harm than good and still doesnt solve the problem at hand. Its also a misunderstanding of the issue anyway, because the problem isnt porn as a general concept, or even the use of AI to create it, but the creation of some that depicts real people against the wishes of those people, and secondarily the possibility that it could be used to make other people believe the event actually happened due to the ability to create photorealistic images and video.
Would banning it make it go away? No, of course not, but it would make it a bit riskier to make and spread, and that would reduce the number that do it. We already have certain kinds of porn banned due to requiring abuse to create, like CSAM, and while that certainly hasnt made it disappear, its not something one encounters regularly either. An argument of “we shouldnt ban this because bans dont work on the internet” would apply equally to our ban on that material too after all.