On May 17 and 18 the Arab American Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Truth Project asked 36,139 Arab Americans and “allied voters,” “Who are you voting for in November?” 2,196 people responded.
2% Trump
7% Biden
25% Jill Stein
20% Cornell West
19% Undecided
23% Uncommitted
3% Stay home
well whatever you do, dont support the one side that doesnt want to take voting rights away from brown people.
im sure everything will turn out groovy for arab americans under trump. vote your conscience!
‘Support the side killing brown people’ is what this read like
A poll published at the end of October 2023 found “only 17% of Arab American voters saying they will vote for Biden in 2024—a staggering drop from 59% in 2020.”
Then a couple weeks ago a NYT poll “found Trump leading among registered Middle Eastern, North African or Muslim voters in the swing states, with 57 percent saying they were planning to back him in November. Only 25 percent said they were supporting Biden.”
So an 8% increase for Biden? Hard to view that as a negative.
59% in 2020 to 25% in 2024 is a decrease of 34% for Biden.
Sure and I imagine most all of that decline is due to the Israel/Gaza war. That he’s gained 8% back since it started, while being heavily criticized for his handling of it, seems like a win.
Except you’re comparing apples to oranges. The October poll was national while the most recent poll was just done in battleground states.
You forget: any poll centrists don’t like must be faulty and too far out from the election.
CIS had an interesting chat with John Mearscheimer about Israel that’s unsurprising, but worth the listen. The host commented with a running joke that, "having been strongly supportive of Netanyahu after October 7, Joe Biden is seriously invested in the two-state solution—Michigan and Pennsylvania (@1:17:38)
Tough sell. Sure it’s obvious who will make the situation measurably worse in nearly every way, but it’s really hard to motivate and mobilize a voting block on harm reduction, when the incumbent elicits strongly emotional revulsion right now.
Recency bias, negativity bias, etc. are so hard to overcome. It’s like trying to logic your way out of an argument someone has emotion’d themselves into. You may know the answer conceptually, but actually feeling ok about it enough to act isn’t a logic proposition. It’s one of the most emotionally charged decisions we make.
Not a demographic I’d be counting on showing up in large numbers if I we’re a campaign strategist. Sadly, Trump is retaining well over 90% of his voting coalition from 2020, whereas Biden is only retaining a fraction of his (very diverse) block. Since the election will come down to a very small number of votes, he’s going to need all of his 2020 coalition to show up. 4 years of reality make that a hard bargain for Arab Americans and Republicans who held their noses after Jan 6 and voted blue though. Ugh.
Link to the video: https://youtu.be/kAfIYtpcBxo
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Thanks for the rec! I’ll give it a listen.
Are you puzzled by these numbers? Are you asking, “How could they think letting Trump win is going to make anything better?” Well, if you genuinely want to understand, read this reporting by Slate.
Here are some highlights:
I heard a similar sentiment from another patron, Fares, a Palestinian man who became a U.S. citizen 20 years ago, and voted for Biden in 2020. “I feel like, whether Republicans or Democrats, it’s all the same,” he said. “I don’t think I’m going to vote for any because it doesn’t matter.” It’s a major shift for him. He was born in Syria to parents exiled in 1948 from what is now Haifa. He told me he hadn’t missed a presidential election before, but now he doesn’t see a point. “If 12,000 dead kids don’t change their hearts, you think you or I will?”
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In a conversation at Qahwah House, Elabed seemed tired. It had become obvious to her she could no longer support Biden, and she didn’t see why that was so hard to understand. “It is hard for me to reconcile my core beliefs and morals to support a president that dehumanizes my people,” Elabed said. “This is a president that I met in person. That knows my sister. That met my mom, who wore a traditional Palestinian thobe at the White House.”
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I posed the obvious question, asking if she thought Trump would be better. “What’s worse than genocide?” she retorted. “Maybe if the Democrats lose this election, they’ll learn their lesson. I’m happy to take several steps back if that’s what it takes to take a step forward.” When I argued, I got thousand-yard stares.
“What’s worse than genocide?”
Choice 1: Genocide over there.
Choice 2: More aggressive genocide over there AND HERE.https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/30/trump-interview-jail-political-opponents-glenn-beck
Maybe if the Democrats lose this election, they’ll learn their lesson.
That has never been the case.
I’m happy to take several steps back if that’s what it takes to take a step forward
I don’t think this woman truly understands what it would mean to go back several steps. Or she just thinks those steps back won’t affect her in any way. Wish I could be that oblivious to the world around me.
I imagine watching your extended family suffer under an artificial famine while dodging bombs and shells raises your tolerance for discomfort while punishing those responsible.
WATCHING being the key word there. She’s not living through it. This is happening half a world away and she’s willing to make this even worse? Does she think Trump’s new travel ban (which he’s gone on record as saying will be brought back) will have an exception for her family? Does she think Trump will suddenly say “Actually I was joking when I said ‘finish the job’”?
For everyone here calling these Arab Americans idiots for not voting for Biden because Trump will be worse, this is what political disgagement and lack of hope look like.
They know Trump will be worse. They also know that Biden will keep enabling this ongoing genocide.
They believe, rightfully so, that their vote won’t end the suffering.
A bunch of smug dem voters telling them “Trump will be worse you dumb fuck” isn’t going to change a thing.
