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An idling gas engine may be annoyingly loud, but that’s the price you pay for having WAY less torque available at a standstill.

  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip
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    12 days ago

    And what exactly is the criticism of electric vehicles according to you?

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      12 days ago

      They still are…cars. We don’t need no more cars on our streets. Yeah, they could help to replace some old combustion cars but they still are worse than public transport and bicycles.

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        12 days ago

        I’m all for efficient public transports in downtown, I use them daily myself, but people on suburbs won’t really see a benefit to this.

        On the other hand, just switching to electric is a nice start, otherwise we won’t be able to live much longer.

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          12 days ago

          Especially people in suburbs would benefit from public transport and suburbs built for walk ability and cycling.

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            That’s the problem, only switching the transportation method isn’t enough, there’s a whole infrastructure behind that needs to be built.

            In most city centers you can kinda refurbish pre-existing systems, but in suburbs you need to build from scratch, and the distances are way bigger which imposes another challenge.

            Don’t get me wrong, im all for it, but we need to acknowledge these problems first.

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              12 days ago

              Suburbs are intentionally designed to not be walkable.

              To get to the neighbor behind my house, without cutting anybody’s yard, I have to walk about a mile. We aren’t far. His daughters play with my sons through our shared fence.

              And that’s a modest example. Plenty of cul de sacs that are “close” to the main street, as a crow flies but a lot further if you’re an East Asian Chinchilla Monkey running as fast as you can.

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                12 days ago

                Love it or hate it, they aren’t intentionally designed not to be walkable, they’re intentionally designed to discourage traffic from driving through them.

                The reason communities like yours and the one behind your house aren’t connected is to reduce the amount of cars driving down your block. To make it safer for your kids to play outside.

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                  11 days ago

                  The reason communities like yours and the one behind your house aren’t connected is to reduce the amount of cars driving down your block.

                  Which is ironic because it has the opposite effect by forcing every resident to get around via car

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              11 days ago

              Yeah, unfortunately the Levitt-town style of suburbs (which are all that’s allowed to be built nowadays) are largely incompatible with public transport. We need to fix zoning laws to allow pre-war style suburbs to be built again to make public transport feasible. And all of this will take awhile to fix

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      12 days ago

      Different for many people. For us it is that we live in an urban area parking on the street and charging it, even with the faster chargers nowadays, just doesn’t fit into our schedule. We’d have to cut working hours if we’d want to get an EV. But other people have other problems with them

      Luckily me and the children can completly get around by public transportation, scooters and bicycles. My wife cannot (for now at least). So, at least we only have one car for the 4 ouf us.

      But I already know that you’ll belittle out problems and come up with half assed solution (yes I know we can charge while shopping, but we walk to the supermarket). I had this discussion often with EV fanatics. Please spare me.

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        12 days ago

        “I can’t charge at home” should be an easy way to shut down an EV evangelist. That should be a “get out of conversation free” card.

        I say that as an EV evangelist myself, and I lived a few years in a condo with an EV and no EV charging in the garage (and adding charging was going to be cost prohibitive if even possible at all due to already crowded infrastructure). It sucked and ain’t nobody got time for that.