I liked a lot of seven, but knowing that you’d have to eventually watch nine sort of invalidates the rest of that trilogy
Never did watch 9. My biggest problem with 7 ?and other reboots like Jurassic World) is it was literally almost a rehash of 4, except with an even bigger “Death Star”. Rather than going for a unique plot.
I thought they did really well on coming up with new characters, and original stories, I enjoyed most of their arcs and adventures in 7.
The biggest death Star was the biggest letdown of that movie for sure.
But hoo boy, after I watched nine, my irritation at the laziness of a bigger death Star is nearly insignificant compared to some of the plot points in 9.
When I saw the starkiller I rolled my eyes, but I literally could have walked out during 9 from
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the knife and sith island
I was already bummed out at eight that there was no Luke or character development for finn.
Then all of nine was pretty bad but especially the idiotic plot device mentioned above and a couple other things ruined that trilogy for me and definitely tarnished my enthusiasm for 7
Idk if original stories is something you can give it. The bigger death star is far from the only plot point lifted directly out of episode 4. Seriously, go back and watch ep 4 and ep 7 it’s almost shot-for-shot (not really but for some of the story beats it could be).
Maybe what you’re saying is that the character back stories are original which, kinda.
Yeah. It didn’t seem like a complete waste watching 7. It felt completely redundant, but I enjoyed the Daniel Craig and Yayan Ruhian cameos, which pushed it into a mildly positive territory for me.
What I don’t get is why would anyone watch 8, let alone 9 after that. Sounds like some variety of Stockholm Syndrome is at play here. I didn’t, and from what I heard it was a smart decision.
I’ve heard that said, but I think a lot of the accusations of unoriginality between 4 and 7 are mostly because they have similar themes by virtue of belonging to the same series.
“Ugh, John wick found another reluctant health professional to patch trim up after getting shot”.
kind of thing.
I think Star wars is pushing really hard to reboot Star wars entirely. 2, so they don’t want to do anything new so much as update some of the old stuff with their own characters so that the new movies take over the old ones like the new Canon is taking over the old Canon.
Idk how you could reach that conclusion. Maybe you watched 7 and haven’t seen 4 in a while. It’s not just your John Wick example. The movie is pretty shameless about lifting the structure of 4, it’s not some subtle nuanced technicality.
Never watched 9 either. Or 3. Also, fuck Disney.
Huh. I recommend 3, only because it’s pretty fun. It’s not good, but it’s fun.
Three is genuinely the best of the prequels by a pretty big margin (though it still suffers a bit from prequel-itis). Definitely with a watch though IMO.
The Force Awakens is pretty meh itself, but we were not prepared for what was coming. It feels as foreboding as rewatching Game of Thrones S5 or S6 and knowing that the deteriorating writing will only get worse.
I’m very glad I never got into the game of thrones TV show.
I read the books, but I couldn’t even handle the first season of the TV show.
Kind of feels the same way as never having joined titter and watching it circling the drain now.
I opted out of GoT after trying to watch S1 too. I could tell it just wasn’t my cup of tea.
Then around season 5 the hype got so intense that I caved. Ended up binging seasons 1-5. And I have to say…even despite seasons 7 and 8 (and somewhat season 6) it was worth the watch. When it was good, it was really good.
I do think that bingeing seasons 1-5 really highlighted how bad the writing had gotten even in season 6. I tried to warn my friends that the outlook was not good but I wasn’t able to convince them. Some of them wouldn’t even admit it until season 8. Some as late as the last handful of episodes. But they all eventually came around.
That’s good to hear. I have given it a second watch some years back, but couldn’t get through The first season again, but it was such a phenomenon I imagine I’ll try again at some point
I read the books
How? They still aren’t written yet.
Game of thrones actually came out in 1996.
The first five books were already written and published by the time the TV show started.
The fifth one was published just a few months after that first season of the TV show.
They were being cheeky, cause the author is well into a decade+ writing the 2nd to last novel in the series.
I think most people have accepted at least the final book will never happen, that dudes not living the healthiest life right now anyways.
Oh, haha. I’ve had to explain it before to people who only know the TV show, my bad
No dramas, I was being cheeky. I’ve also read the books. I was pleasantly surprised with how well the show portrayed the books (merging of some characters, but expected). Until a point…
No, there’s the original trilogy, the prequels, and the “Oh, it was Palpatine the whole time. …again. How original.”
8 really ruined it. 7 had problems but I could forgive some of them because “Disney still trying to figure it out.”
Then 8 happened. Closed off all story threads from 7 without any fanfare at all, and closed off all of its own potential threads within itself, leaving absolutely nothing for 9 to follow up on. Multiple character assassinations, and the entire Canto section could be deleted from the film and zero context would be lost.
9 was never going to succeed. It couldn’t have. There was nothing for it to build on from 8.
What story threads? There were no story threads. There was hopeful fans who wanted to create things out of thin air. That’s about it. There was more from 8 to lead off from than 7.
8 gets a lot of hate along with the rest of the sequels, and I remember being pissed off of its scorched earth treatment of every single plot point from 7 after watching it in the movie theatre, but looking back… at least it tried to be original. The scenes are visually memorable, and its message that even nobody can rise up to be a hero, is miles better than… whatever the 9 did with Rey.
Oh… soooooo say i’ve seen 8, but never got around to seeing 9… I should just chill and consider it done?
You should forget 7 or 8 ever existed and skip 9 completely.
This is the optimal solution.
I hadn’t seen 9 for the longest time and just read online how stupid it was. Then I watched it with that expectation and yes, totally confirmed. If anything you might want to watch it to see what a dumpster fire it is. But don’t prioritize it over other stuff you want to watch.
Except 9 isn’t “so bad it’s good,” it’s just bad. I would not recommend anyone watch episodes 7-9 at all.
7 put Luke hiding on an island while a war was going on and left 8 to take the flak for explaining why. There was no way to make 8 without pissing people off.
Luke was one small puzzle piece of that shitpile
Then I don’t understand. 8 developed Poe further by exploring the character arc for the daring overconfident pilot. Finn was given a reason to fight for the rebellion instead of trying to run away with Rey every 5 minutes. We got some absolutely great character development with Rey having a natural inclination to the dark side which builds on the fact she used the dark side to defeat Kylo in 7, and we use her as a lens to explore the “born special” trope in Star Wars, getting into more of her past history and getting satisfying answers.
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If you think 7 is good you are a hopeless movie watcher, it set up nothing just typical jj abrams mystery boxes, is a straight up rehashing of A new hope and it did nothing of note. 8 tried to deviate from another shadowy mysterious bad guy aka Wish.com palpatine and do something different and it did it well.
And then 9 is a straight up piece of shit the only good part of it is the first montage with Kylo Ten being the boss and fucking shit up, they really dropped the ball by backpedaling from 8
I didn’t say 7 was good, only that I was willing to be more forgiving since it was Disney’s first Star Wars film.
8 did nothing well but destroy Star Wars at every turn. I would say because of what it did, I consider 9 to be better than 8. 9 could never have been good, and that is completely the fault of 8.
9 is a flaming piece of shit on every level. I think its even insulting to call it a movie given how fucking shit it is.
How can you say that 9 is better than 8 because 8 destoryed stuff (what exactly?) Meanwhile 9 literally destroys the whole OT and PT story arc of Anakin/Vader
A pity they already had the entire EU to work from and decided to obliterate it all… until they fucked up their own shit so badly they started bringing it back.
We could have had another trilogy centered around an established strong female character.
Mara Jade.
Sure, mix and match in some new ideas to make it work better as films than novels. The idea of Finn (a defecting stormtrooper) absolutely works in this setting.
But the original cast is too old for that time period!
Well we’ve now seen that Luke can be portrayed reasonably well with another actor and face and voice changing tech.
Have a whole trilogy set in basically the Mando/Asoka time period, but use the Mandalorians in a more adult story about the difficulty of establishing and maintaining alliances when the New Republic is young, the Imperial Remnant still exists, and now basically its chaos as various factions are picking sides.
Thrawn can be the big bad, but his presence is barely hinted at in 7, makes his appearance in 8 and has a major victory, and is defeated in 9.
You could even work in Boba Fett and Asoka! Maybe Thrawn sends Fett to assassinate Luke in 8 and he is seriously wounded or his new gaggle of Jedi trainees are fucked up, but Asoka helps Luke fend him off on the Millennium Falcon!
But uh nope, instead we got A New Hope v2, A B and C plot clusterfuck with a side of break hyperspace and all space combat lore, followed by Duct Tape and Bullshit.
I liked Andor :(
Andor is amazing!
Andor was worth the 250m they spent on it
Andor is the kind of show where I would literally recommend it to someone who hates Star Wars. It’s just such an incredibly raw, powerful, and vital piece of media. One of the finest works of anti-fascist art I’ve seen in a long time.
Anyone who hasn’t watched that show is robbing themselves. Moments like “one way out” and Luthen’s “sacrifice” monologue are going to live with me for a long time. Season 2 can’t come soon enough.
Also B2EMO is the best droid in all of Star Wars (Fun fact; his voice is the puppeteer’s, but it wasn’t supposed to be. They were planning to overdub, but then the guy did such an amazing job on the set that they just gave him the role).
I don’t know that you even have to know anything about Star Wars to enjoy Andor. It’s not like Star Wars lore was super important. The Force and Jedi are not even parts of the plot.
Not a movie so it’s fine. That and the Ewoks TV show ofc
What a banger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WFjM3QWKlE
Andor was so well done that it stressed me out. The cheesy schlock of Bobafet was just what I needed.
I had a professor who didn’t even accept the whole trilogy, and (probably at least in part ironically) attributed some amount of societal problems to the third movie.
It’s actually the second movie that fucks it all up. The whole point of Luke is that he wasn’t born special, he could have been anyone. ESB throws that out the window and makes him a boring chosen one. Star Wars goes from being a story about the power of the workers to a story about force royalty
Hmm, maybe that was it.
By third, I am assuming you mean Return of the Jedi?
I am assuming so as well. I don’t remember exactly which movie he said, but it wouldn’t make sense for it to be the second of three.
Well I was not sure if you meant the third movie released, being Episode 6, or the 6th movie released, being Episode 3.
I like how Star Wars is confusing in this way. It’s fun.
This is the way
This is the way.
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Makes sense. Those people are ancient. The 6 movies are fine it is the crap Disney stuff that sucks. Apparently I am a “bad” Star Wars fan if I don’t subscribe to DRM based streaming where you own nothing. Also the idea that there is a story line after the end is dumb and poorly done.
The 6 movies are fine
I take issue with the prequels being described as “fine”. Meesa think thosa terrible films…
They are definitely more of an appeal to pathos. Unlike the sequels the prequels go from good to evil. It is a sad story plays out that ultimately leads into the sequels.
I feel like people don’t give 3 enough credit for really going there with the tragic ending, fully committing to having everything go to shit to set up the original trilogy
They are, the dialogue is absolutely horrendous. There is a reason is has been memed to death.
That said young kids enjoy it. Sabers go wonwon, blasters go pew pew. And watch them go crazy for that pod race scene.
And now they’ve been memed so much that some have turned around and decided they were great movies all along. It’s pretty funny
That is a funny phenomenon. Maybe there are also more and more people who watched it as younger kids and have a better appreciation than those of us who watched them as adults.
Nostalgia at least is one factor
They are, the dialogue is absolutely horrendous.
“I wish I could wish away my feelings”
“I’ve been dying a little bit each day since you came back into my life”
I can get chill and watch 5 of the 6. I refuse the jar jar movie. I heard his goddamn patois one time in theaters and it was more than enough.
I like the alternate order which mixes the two trilogies together: ep 4,5,2,3,6. No ep 1! boooooo!
4,5,2,3,6. No ep 1!
That’s machete order, I think. While TPM is definitely the most “skippable” of the 6, I think AotC is a worse movie.
Fair. I just have personal beef with jarjar. Feels like nails on chalkboard, no way around it
You could just pirate it
Given the way things are going right now re: storylines and plot, yes this is how you answer that question.
Nope :’(
You know what would really suck though?
If they made any Matrix or Highlander sequels.
yeah, glad that these sequel fuckers didn’t think about mad max or the terminator either. there can be only one.
You’ve gone two steps too far, my friend.
Lies, there’s the prequel Rogue One.
That’s it though.
Star Wars (no, it wasn’t “EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE”), Empire Strikes Back, and Return of the Jedi were the only good SW movies. The rest are embarrassingly bad fanfiction. Just because people laugh at the prequel memes doesn’t make the prequels good. We as a society fell when we started laughing at all the horrible parts of the prequels and then asked ourselves “wait, if we’re being entertained by the prequels, does that mean they were good?” and coming to the absolute wrong conclusion.
I think technology is the issue. When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects, as the special effects tech has gotten better the story telling seems to rely on the tech as opposed to overcoming the tech (this is all movies/shows not just this franchise). Iirc the death star was a bunch of models of battle ships and other things pasted together, not sure if they did fly-by-wire (Red Dwarf was really good at this practical effect) for the space battles. As an aside, we also tend to like the ones we grew up watching, I’m in the original trilogy is the best (pushin 50), but to those that were my age for the prequels think the prequels are the better series, not sure about the sequels.
When they made Star Wars, Empire, and Return the special effects tech was garbage (clunky, expensive, and time consuming) so they had to rely on good story telling and practical effects
I’m curious, have you watched the original trilogy with the original practical effects, and not the crappy CGI that George added later?
Ok, I am being misunderstood. The “practical effects” were amazing by the standards of the day, and are now basically a thing of the past. The ingenuity was second to none, but the light sabers, blaster bolts etc “special effects” were not the best. And yes I did see that atrocity and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap. If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better. My main point, and it goes beyond star wars, is much of cinema and TV rely on CGI special effects and the writers hope that will get them over the line.
Clunky = takes a lot of space, expensive = self explanatory, time consuming = getting models to behave properly
Ah, thanks for clarifying. That’s an interesting position. I never found the light sabers or blaster bolts in the original trilogy to look that bad. And the practical effects, models, and sets, certainly look superior to the CGI sets in the prequels.
If George had waited another 5 or 10 years it could have been better.
I’m not so sure about this. I think that the limitations George had at the time ended up being part of what made the original trilogy so good. If George had access to better special effects, would we still have gotten scenes like these?
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Or would we have gotten this instead?
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George being able to do “whatever he wants” does not necessarily lead to the best movie.
and hate that I can’t find copies without the added crap
Search up “Harmy despecialized” and “4k77”. There are many other Star Wars fans who feel the way you do, and they have taken matters into their own hands :)
Honestly yeah, 1, 2, and 3 are amazing and never needed sequels.
I would argue that Jedi deserves everything the prequels get
RotJ is where Lucas started to not have pushback on story ideas. It still mostly works but some silliness is leaking through. Especially in the Special Edition, but Empire is the only one that really wasn’t effected by those.
I honestly cannot believe you forgot about the Skywalker twins.
“I’ve always known.”
Somehow.
Honestly, I like the prequel universe more. The movies are just a bit weird sometimes
I liked that they (the prequels) expanded the world of star wars and felt fun and fantastical (as I imagine the original triology felt when it came out). The Sequels tried to be too dark and moody in my opinion.
That’s why I hated empire strikes back. It was trying too hard to be edgy.
Says the edgy comment…
Can you expand on that ? What exactly did being too edgy look like in 1980 ?
It was edgy in the same way a Zack Snyder film is.
There is no Sequel Trilogy in Ba Sing Se.
Here we are safe. Here we are free.
