It sounds way less offensive to those who decry the original terminology’s problematic roots but still keeps its meaning intact.

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    y’all I understand there are larger issues in the world but please let’s not pretend that POC working in tech feel awesome about typing master/slave in the terminal, it’s outdated and should be changed.

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      But POC are not the only ones that have been enslaved.

      Pretty much all races and people have been enslaved in history.

      Slave does not equal North American POC slave and the term in this context has absolutely nothing to do with them. The only time it refers specifically to them is when discussing North American history (and maybe current history due to the fact that USA still enslaves people in prison)

      One might argue that the term is outdated because slaves are less common these days, but it has nothing to do with POC (or human slaves at all). But I won’t argue that because the term is very easy to understand and thus not outdated.

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        North American, more specifically US slavery is very recent relative to the rest of history and was deeply ingrained into the economy of half the United States. War broke out to abolish it and the effects of it are still felt today.

        Pretty much all races and people have been enslaved in history.

        Don’t deflect from the racism, discrimination, and prejudice that black Americans still experience to this day because of slavery.

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          Maybe but the terms slave and master have nothing to do with that.

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            The origin of the terms have nothing to do with it, and they historically apply to a broad range of races and peoples, but I guarantee when the average person hears “master/slave” their first thought is likely “American south” and not “IDE Drive configuration” or “hydraulic system”, so unless I’ve misinterpreted you by mistake, I’m not sure how you could seriously claim “the terms master and slave have nothing to do with [the historical systemic dehumanization of PoC]”

            I understand it’s more syllables to say “primary/secondary”, but you can also use:

            • Active/Standby

            • Parent/Child

            • Main/Secondary

            • Initiator/Target

            • and far more

            Changing our habits is annoying and takes effort, but I dont know why people are so enthusiastic to hang onto a term that refers to a historically dehumanizing relationship that people are still unwillingly subjected to in the modern day.

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      I’m white and I don’t feel comfortable saying it/typing it. It’s antiquated and weird.

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      It’s a weird phrase to begin with.

      In law, the phrase “master / servant” has been around forever. It’s the foundation of the law of agency.

      Some tech bro picked slave instead of servant.

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      Not just that, it’s bad and makes no sense in its technical context.

      Server client is far better.

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        No, that’s completely dependent on what you are referring too. I have never heard anyone ever referring to a server as “master” or a client as a “slave”. The slave/master terminology is often used for storage. I.E. Master drive and slave drive.

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          Nowadays its more ofte used for server hierarchies/functionality. Or well, a lot of software is changing now. Mariadb use Source and replica.