I hated school before, but getting trash thrown at me and I was the one called to the office to stop what I was doing.
And then they wonder about school shootings… oh well…
Are you suggesting that an appropriate response to someone throwing rubbish at you is to shoot this person?
No. But are you suggesting bullying won’t lead to someone snapping?
No, I am suggesting there is a big difference between throwing rubbish and shooting assault rifle at someone.
I know, tiny subtlety but it seems you missed this one.
I think you were never Bullied. So you were the Bully… interesting. I never said it’s appropriate, just that a teen would snap.
You are simply a shit person as it seems… and edgy.
Are you suggesting that being bullied justifies school shootings, murdering people?
Now you are ridiculous.
I never said this. Being bullied, assaulted or sexually harassed never justifies a shooting. It’s still understandable people snap. (Like psychologically, you know… not in the sense of suggestions… what a clown mind do you have?)
If you don’t understand this, or try to misinterpret my comments, you behave like the Bullies… which tells me a lot about you.
Oh well…
Appropriate? No. Inevitable in a culture that fetishizes guns and stigmatizes reaching out for help? Unfortunately yes.
People are responsible for their actions. “difficult childhood” or “bullied at school” don’t wash. There are millions of people bullied at school yet they don’t pull an assault rifle on others.
His comment and the entire trail is ridiculous and people here upvoting him here are even more ridiculous. It must be an American thing, brainwashed like with thousands other things over there.
In school shootings it is the shooters are at fault, rather than other students. As simple as that.
They’re not wrong though
Hmm, does it count if the animal (human, in this case) could be omnivorous, but chooses not to be for whatever reason?
I like to think of the distinction in a de jure vs de facto way.
If all the evidence we have of a species is them consuming autotrophs, then we do mental gymnastics and induce that they are 100% herbivores.
Of course this also leaves room for an herbivore’s potential to consume heterotrophs, in which case our knowledge would have to update and reflect reality. Maybe 99% herbivore, 1% carnivore.
And at that point, we may still do mental gymnastics and call species herbivores because that is their normal behavior, where their abnormal behavior is shown due to abiotic or biotic factors, perhaps from loss of habitat or removal/introduction of species in the food web, etc.
Edit: for humans, I’d say we can classify different humans differently because of the times we live in (it’s so easy to be a vegan nowadays) and our natural, higher moral concepts and empathy.
Herbivores can be carnivorous. I’ve seen plenty of videos of horses and cows cromching on baby chickens.
I think you don’t understand the definition then. When herbivores happen to eat some animals, like when cows eat baby chickens, it doesn’t make them carnivores just for doing so. They’re still herbivores
That’s how I see it. I’m a vegetarian omnivore, if my life depended on it I would eat meat.
Anybody would do that?
Yes, I’m saying humans are omnivores and vegetarianism is just a choice.
Heheh, this shitpost triggers me.
My mom was forcing us a macrobiotic diet back in the day. We were strictly vegan, although fish is allowed in that diet, some vegetables like patatoes and tomatoes are not. Hardcore vegans…
My school lunch was mostly sushi with a filling of fermented prune called umeboshi, or tempeh and seaweeds, pumpkin or rice balls and sesame seeds. We were underfed, yellow flaky skin because of the overdose of carotene and you see everyone around you in school eating candy, fries, meat and what not while also taking the piss at you for being different and stinking of that diet.
At dinner I use to bury my Iziki seaweed in the plant pot because I just couldn’t swallow that shit without gagging. If I did not behave mom would go…”you’re behaviour is to yang, next two weeks on a yin diet”. Disgusting.
By the age of 12, me and my sister got into stealing money from our parents real quick to buy normal or fast food, annoying the guy at the snackbar on wheels for free fries, shoplifting and shit. Yeah, good times.
that’s why i hate religious restrictions
Don’t confuse that with veganism though
Isn’t veganism essentially a religious belief? Even if not, it is equally illogical.
No. It seems like you don’t know what veganism is. It’s a philosophical stance and therefore completely different to any religion. It’s based n logical arguments. If you don’t like the suffering of animals and when they’re harmed without any necessity, it’s very likely that your core moral beliefs are the same as of any vegan.
It is logical. That’s why nobody can argue with the logic of the core arguments.
I’m curious. how is it illogical for you?
It is completly illogical and it tries to impose unnatural limitations - you know, like religions do.
I’m not a vegan - but we are omnivores, we can eat plants. There is nothing unnatural about it. Let alone if you compare it to our modern ‘normal’ food, which is chock full of extra sugar, extra fat, extra protein, extra artificial additives like preservatives, sweeteners, and what not. It’s also factual that you can get more energy out of directly consuming plant material than eating an animal that consumed said plant material. If you take the biggest offenders for that, cows. You need 8 kg of feed for them to produce a kg of meat, this is known as it’s feed conversion ratio (source). Other animals (Like chicken and fish) are better, but a ration below 1 is essentially impossible.
I like the taste of meat as much as the next (average) person, but vegans do have a factual basis for their stance. But non-vegans rebuttal to that is realistically just “I don’t want to give up meat because I like it” not “the facts aren’t on your side.” - Lets be honest about that.
but we are omnivores, we can eat plants. There is nothing unnatural about it.
Yup, precisely, there is nothing unnatural about omnivores eating plants and meat. It is an attempt to restrict part of this normal for omnivores diet which is unnatural and this is what religions do. Thus my point.
My question was how it’s illogical to you and your answer is “it’s completely illogical”?
Like, how hard is it to write down a simple sentence in which you explain why it’s illogical!?
I can do you a favour and already unfold it: The vegan argument is that unnecessary harm towards animals should be avoided when it’s “possible and practical”, like when you live in a modern society, you don’t need to buy leather clothes or eat meat, there is no necessity to do so because of the incredible amount of alternatives, where no animal needs to be killed nor harmed.
To say thats illogical therefore means that you see no logic in avoiding unnecessary harm towards animals. So please, just start your response like this:
“I don’t see how it’s logical that we should avoid unnecessary harm towards animals, because…”
It is illogical to impose limitations on what humans can it, apart from perhaps health reasons (allergies etc.).
Religions do that. You cannot eat pork/beef etc, depending on the religion. Vegans also do that and it is equally moronic.
The fact that 5 kids knew well enough about the OP’s vegan status to use them as an example meant that the person probably never shut up about it.
They were literal children, and it wasn’t their choice. I’m pretty sure the “I’m better than you because I don’t eat meat” shit doesn’t start until at least junior high.
Does anyone actually say that?
Drag’s conscience used to say that, back when drag ate dragons. It said the people who didn’t eat meat were better than drag. Drag didn’t like drag’s conscience saying that, so drag decided not to eat dragons. Dragons are intelligent creatures and loyal companions. Dragons are friends, not food.
What’s with all the drag? Just say I.
Drag isn’t that pronoun. Drag is drag.
I think everyone is confused because people don’t normally think of “I” and “my” as gendered in the first place.
