Before tractors, almost the entire food chain involved animal slavery, since farms used draft animals. For that matter, even transportation was based on animal slavery (horses). Many of the sustainable and high performance fabrics like wool, silk, and leather are now replaced by synthetic fossil-derived plastics. But petroleum is also an animal product.
To be vegan, is to choose fossilized animal products and services over fresh.
Turnabout is fair play, surely?
No, because the vegans are right, eating meat isn’t justifiable. You can’t “both sides” morality. The attempt is an admission that you’ve lost the plot.
Consider the possibility that your feelings of guilt or being judged is a call coming from inside the house.
Since you’ve already decided how my part of the discussion is going to go, you may as well go ahead and hold it without me.
eating meat is absolutely justifiable.
The bitch of this world is that most any activity is pro-fossil fuel because of the way our infrastructure is built.
This isn’t much of a gotcha, but it’s a sad observation of the state of the globe.
U dense?
there is a lot of weird things about what you’re saying, but for one:
the same amount or more petroleum would be spend on cultivating food for the to-be-slaughtered animals and transporting the meat around.
I’m not a vegan (anymore), but veganism is still the lesser evil here
Not talking about eating meat, that’s vegetarianism. Many animals eat grass or waste products, like chickens and pigs.
Veganism as a rejection of all animal products and services, is a full embrace of petroleum.
Why?
It’s a shower thought not a thesis.
Vegans reject wool and feathers because of animal servitude. The alternative is synthetic polyester fiber.
Vegans reject draft animals and horse riding in favor of internal combustion.
Vegans reject natural local animal trans fats for coconut and palm oil shipped around the world by burning oil, and sometimes harvested by monkey slaves anyway.
I always wonder how many people who think eating meat is murder, evil, etc. have actually watched animals die in the wild. If I had to choose between getting knocked out with a stunner or being chased down by a predator, struggling and screaming while being torn apart by teeth and claws until finally losing consciousness from blood loss and pain - which is how wild animals tend to die - I would absolutely pick the slaughterhouse any time. From that standpoint alone I would absolutely call eating meat the lesser evil.
Of course death is only one dimension - many domestic animals live in terrible conditions - but mistreatment isn’t necessary for vegans to condemn using animal products. Even eating honey is frowned on, simply because bees are animals. I don’t think that simple flat rule takes enough information into account.
I always wonder how many people who think eating meat is murder, evil, etc. have actually watched animals die in the wild.
My issue pertains more to forcibly breeding animals into existence for the sole purpose of exploiting them, and also the often terrible conditions they are kept in. I consider hunting and fishing to be more ethical than industrial animal ag, so long as it is done in a responsible manner (yes, I know this is subjective).
Nature is brutal, but industrial animal ag has absolutely heinous abuses.
Since fossil fuel contains animal remains, wouldn’t veganism be inherently against all petro products, including plastics?
Those animals didn’t suffer though. Presumably.
